Pug 207 loss of power

Pug 207 loss of power

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C3BER

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4,714 posts

229 months

Saturday 30th March 2013
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Hard to rev sometimes and hard to get over 70mph. But over night it regains its health and is fine for 40 miles. Any ideas? There is no warning symbols or text.

Pug 207 diesel HDI

C3BER

Original Poster:

4,714 posts

229 months

Sunday 31st March 2013
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Anti pollution and limp mode this morning.

Davie_GLA

6,643 posts

205 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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What year?
What Engine?
Mileage?
Any smoke?
What sort of journeys do you do?

TheTurbonator

2,792 posts

157 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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The anti-pollution fault is just a generic fault, it's hard to determine what's wrong, from just that alone. You're best getting the codes read or getting a specialist to look at it (not necessarily a Peugeot dealer), as even knowing what the code is, can still leave you guessing.

I once had it on a 307 and after first getting the codes cleared and the ECU updated, it came back, further investigation revealed a tiny crack in the manifold. But the Lamba sensor was corroded solid into it and was impossible to remove without breaking it, so that had to be replaced too.

C3BER

Original Poster:

4,714 posts

229 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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2008 1.6 HDI 110 93.000 miles.

No smoke and not lumpy when driven. I drive 50 mile journeys to work and back on the motorway. It went into limp mode on a left turn and made a rattle sound but that's gone. The car is fully dealer serviced and has just had one. I shall be calling the dealer to have it sorted...bang goes my new discs on the cerbera.

megamaniac

1,060 posts

222 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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Turbo,time for a new car.

C3BER

Original Poster:

4,714 posts

229 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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Lets hope it's only the lambda sensor but will find out on Friday. After a root around the Internet it could be anything from no fluid for the cat to a lose wire, I shall see and keep you informed.

Davie_GLA

6,643 posts

205 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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Mr maniac is just being a cock. Get it plugged in and see what's what. I'll say injector or sensor.

megamaniac

1,060 posts

222 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2013
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Ok, a bit flippant,but lambda sensor on a diesel someone's having a giraffe.
The rattle is the thing that made me think turbo, and the fact it is the most common cause of lack of power on this engine.I would be gladly proved wrong.
Take the air pipe off the turbo,stick your finger on the end of the turbo and see if it has play,it's that simple.
At the mileage it is on you are on borrowed time,believe me.
Replacing the turbo is a minefield of flushing,removing filters digging out the sump and rocker cover and trying to unblock oilways .We just refuse to do them now,the ford dealers near us will not guarantee one, so i go by my statement,93000 miles time for a new car.

C3BER

Original Poster:

4,714 posts

229 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2013
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Lack of power is because its in limp mode which I guess is peugeots and other manufactures way of getting you home. It had a five minute refuse to start when I stupidly turned it off to see if it would clear it. It starts no problem now but obviously still in limp mode. Im dropping it off tonight and tomorrow we shall see what happens.

93k of motoway driving should be nothing to a 1.6 diesel of such a modern engine.

sunbeam alpine

7,057 posts

194 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2013
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Try unplugging the MAF.

C3BER

Original Poster:

4,714 posts

229 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2013
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I'm not to sure about diesels which is a bit of an embarrassment.

C3BER

Original Poster:

4,714 posts

229 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2013
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Should point out I had filled up at TESCO 50miles prior to it going and the pump I filled up on has now tape around it. This info passed on to the dealer who's now got my car.

Supercell

111 posts

138 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2013
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Change your fuel filter.
Its a bad design and can become blocked easily. If you undo the piping from the airbox/turbo, it's a little black box on the right hand side (battery side) of the engine.

robminiman

230 posts

191 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2013
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when did it last have a fuel filter?
egr valves and blocked dpf filters are common on these

C3BER

Original Poster:

4,714 posts

229 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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frown the turbo has died a death.

They are telling me a shaft has gone? Anyhow it's getting sorted at a ball squeezing price but I have no option but get it sorted.

Davie_GLA

6,643 posts

205 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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Dammit.

Ok mega - you win tongue out

C3BER

Original Poster:

4,714 posts

229 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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Yes the noise I heard must have been the shaft going. Now could this be down to faulty fuel?

sunbeam alpine

7,057 posts

194 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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Normally that kind of wear should manifest itself gradually over time. Was there no abnormal "whine" coming from the turbo? (I'm assuming that they mean that there's a lot of end float on the turbo shaft).

If the turbo is removed, or if the air pipe is removed from the turbo and you can move the shaft with your finger so that the turbo vanes contact the side of the pipe, then the turbo is worn, but as I said, you normally hear this kind of wear as a loud whine.

Having reread your first post - where you say you can drive for a time without problems, it still sounds like a fuel problem. Maybe even the tank not venting properly to let air in.

Can you trust the garage, or do you know someone who can double-check it for you? (The reason that I ask this is because one of my friends thought he was going to be faced with a bill for a new turbo a few weeks ago, when it was actually the MAF which was broken. Cost €57 to fix instead of a couple of thousand)

C3BER

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4,714 posts

229 months

Thursday 4th April 2013
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Garage says its snapped?

I asked how it could happen but garage says it could have been oil starvation? It's a main dealer and I know they charge more than an independent but I need it sorting.

No wine before it went just a rattle and then limp mode. I keep thinking was it the fuel but that could be pure coincidence.

No problems with the engine at all and the car is in mint order so its fingers crossed for another 93k.