Clio 182 aux belt service...

[kayzee]

Hello, have tried over on Cliosport but unfortunately no replies telling me exactly what I need to know, and it's a pretty simply question really!

I'm due my aux belt change but I wondering is it simply just the belt...

http://k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2421&am...

Or, does the tensioner get changed as well on this service?

http://k-tecracing.com/show_product.asp?id=2685&am...

I'm sure I've heard before that the tensioner is actually changed on the cambelt change instead (obviously a much more major service) finally, whilst on the subject, would you say a normal independant garage would be good enough for the aux change? I know the cambelt is a specialist only job really. Thank you.

[SpeedMattersNot]

I've always changed the tentioner and idlers too.

I'd take it to a Renault specialist if I am honest. We would sometimes get Sports in with rattly idler pulleys (especially the bottom metal one) that because they're not easy to replace, went un-replaced and then you need to pay for the whole job again anyway!

[jimtech]

after you've gone to the trouble of taking the front end off to take the tension from the belt you'd might as well change the cam belt as its only an extra hour or so.

[Ian_sUK]

Most definitely change both the tensioner and the idler at the bottom. Aux belt can be done by anybody, I did mine on the drive but its best if you make a tool to lever the tensioner.

[kayzee]

jimtech said:

after you've gone to the trouble of taking the front end off to take the tension from the belt you'd might as well change the cam belt as its only an extra hour or so.

Cambelt has over 2 1/2 years/36k miles to go yet before it needs replacing (I only do around 3-4k a year) so I'm not replacing that early as it's so damn expensive!

[5678]

Definitely get the tensioners done.

My car is in at Birchdown this week for a water pump so I'm getting the aux belt and pulleys done along with the timing belt (despite the fact it has 2 years left.)

[jagracer]

Not a Cup model I know but I changed the cambelt on my wife's DCI Clio last year and changed the aux belt at the same time, I didn't bother changing the aux belt tensioner but I wish I had done at the time as it collapsed a few weeks ago. New belt and tensioner comes as a kit and was £50 but as with everything Renault Clio the tensioner is a modified version of the original. Her car has done 105K so I would think yours will be OK until next cambelt change.

[172ff]

I had mine done recently and had the pulleys and tensioners replaced. The tensioner had actually ceased up.

All kits are £60 from Renault atm regardless of model.

[jimtech]

kayzee said:

Cambelt has over 2 1/2 years/36k miles to go yet before it needs replacing (I only do around 3-4k a year) so I'm not replacing that early as it's so damn expensive!

but its so much work on a clio sport to do the aux belt that you might ass well do both.the belts have the same change interval anyway. Renault repar manuals always say replace he alt belt when removed so when you do change the cambelt youll have to change the alternator belt againand go to the ball ache of removing all of the crap again.

[SpeedMattersNot]

jimtech said:

kayzee said:

Cambelt has over 2 1/2 years/36k miles to go yet before it needs replacing (I only do around 3-4k a year) so I'm not replacing that early as it's so damn expensive!

but its so much work on a clio sport to do the aux belt that you might ass well do both.the belts have the same change interval anyway. Renault repar manuals always say replace he alt belt when removed so when you do change the cambelt youll have to change the alternator belt againand go to the ball ache of removing all of the crap again.

Renault say it, but we both know that it is BS!

No surprise they've turned the lights off in most of their factories

[kayzee]

jimtech said:

but its so much work on a clio sport to do the aux belt that you might ass well do both.the belts have the same change interval anyway. Renault repar manuals always say replace he alt belt when removed so when you do change the cambelt youll have to change the alternator belt againand go to the ball ache of removing all of the crap again.

I don't think the jobs are completely comparable tbh... the aux belt change is about £100 on top of a normal service, whereas the cambelt change is about £400-600 more!

Also, the belts do not have the same interval change. The cambelt is every 72k, whereas the aux belt is twice as much, every 36k. I know it doesn't always work out perfectly because you might be going by age rather than mileage but, taking that into account it should really go:

36k - aux belt
72k - aux belt & cambelt
108k - aux belt (this is the one I'm doing)
144k - aux belt & cambelt

[jimtech]

kayzee said:

I don't think the jobs are completely comparable tbh... the aux belt change is about £100 on top of a normal service, whereas the cambelt change is about £400-600 more!

Also, the belts do not have the same interval change. The cambelt is every 72k, whereas the aux belt is twice as much, every 36k. I know it doesn't always work out perfectly because you might be going by age rather than mileage but, taking that into account it should really go:

36k - aux belt
72k - aux belt & cambelt
108k - aux belt (this is the one I'm doing)
144k - aux belt & cambelt

ive worked for renault for over ten years and never heard of 36 for an aux belt change. Youll see what its like to change if you have a go.if they were charging 100 quid on top of the service they will be loosing out big time. The bits are more than that retail

[jagracer]

jimtech said:

ive worked for renault for over ten years and never heard of 36 for an aux belt change. Youll see what its like to change if you have a go.if they were charging 100 quid on top of the service they will be loosing out big time. The bits are more than that retail

What bits need to be replaced on a 182?

[jimtech]

jagracer said:

What bits need to be replaced on a 182?

If I were to do the job as per the recommended procedure I would do the alternator belt kit.which includes a tensioner and idler pulley,cambelt kit which includes tensioner and 2 x idler pulleys. When the cambelt is off be sure to check the de-phaser pulley at the same time.there are also two oils seals for locking the cams too.

[5678]

Picked my car up from Birchdown today after the water pump had failed. Changed the following:
Water pump
Aux belt and all tensioners
Timing belt
Dephaser
Pulleys
Seals

Cost me a fair bit, but I'm planning on keeping the car for quite a while.

[172ff]

kayzee said:

I don't think the jobs are completely comparable tbh... the aux belt change is about £100 on top of a normal service, whereas the cambelt change is about £400-600 more!

Also, the belts do not have the same interval change. The cambelt is every 72k, whereas the aux belt is twice as much, every 36k. I know it doesn't always work out perfectly because you might be going by age rather than mileage but, taking that into account it should really go:

36k - aux belt
72k - aux belt & cambelt
108k - aux belt (this is the one I'm doing)
144k - aux belt & cambelt

If you're anywhere near Essex go and see Mark Fish. He did my aux belt for about £180.

Top bloke and he certainly knows what he's doing!

[kayzee]

jimtech said:

ive worked for renault for over ten years and never heard of 36 for an aux belt change. Youll see what its like to change if you have a go.if they were charging 100 quid on top of the service they will be loosing out big time. The bits are more than that retail

Taken from K-Tec's website...

[5678]

kayzee said:

jimtech said:

ive worked for renault for over ten years and never heard of 36 for an aux belt change. Youll see what its like to change if you have a go.if they were charging 100 quid on top of the service they will be loosing out big time. The bits are more than that retail

Taken from K-Tec's website...

I might be mistaken, but has jimtech mistaken that for £36 for an auxbelt rather than 36k miles for an aux belt? "The bits are more than that retail"... kinda suggests he has misunderstood.

[jimtech]

[quote=kayzee]

I don't think the jobs are completely comparable tbh... the aux belt change is about £100 on top of a normal service, whereas the cambelt change is about £400-600 more!

no definatly says £100 quid for aux belt change. K-tec does say that yes, but where is the manufacturers recommended change interval? It was just MY opinion on what I would do if it were my car/job.

[MrKipling43]

This thread is making my wallet hurt (did all belts last summer. Owey!).