Talk to me about 182 Cup's
Discussion
Girlfriend is looking at a new car and had her eye on a 1.6 Ford 'Sport' Ka, unti her cousin passed her test today and said she was getting a Ka.
I was never keen on the Ka idea anyway and I've pointed her in the direction of the 182, which she now admits she likes.
On a budget of around £3k, cars from around 2005 and 60k-80k miles, is there anything she should be worried about?
All advice welcome.
I was never keen on the Ka idea anyway and I've pointed her in the direction of the 182, which she now admits she likes.
On a budget of around £3k, cars from around 2005 and 60k-80k miles, is there anything she should be worried about?
All advice welcome.
182s are great little cars. I loved mine but first port of call would be insurance quotes as I imagine they could be as much as the car itself for a new driver.
182 cup is the pared down (only 20kg lighter) track orientated version of the 182 i.e. no climate control (does have manual air-con though), basic cloth interior, no xenons, crappy stereo, no auto headlight adjustment or headlight washers, no lateral airbags, no heat reflecting windscreen or automatic wipers.
If she wants all of the above then best look at the 182. Difference is pretty obvious as the Cup doesn't have the part-leather interior.
There were two key options for the 182;
1) A 'Cup' chassis upgrade (all of the following was standard on the 182 cup) which, added Michelin rubber with stiffer sidewalls (tyres have probably been changed a few times by 60k though), a 3mm lower ride height, stiffer springs and dampers and new steering geometry plus anthracite colour wheels. The front track is 20mm wider and the rear track is 10mm wider.
2) A 'Cup' spoiler pack (front and rear)
As far as things to watch out for I'm not too sure as I had mine (182 cup) from 20k - 30k when it was less than 3 years old. The only things that went wrong with mine was a faulty ABS sensor that was reset and then finally replaced under warranty.
I have heard that the OEM exhaust system rusts (I'd replace it with an aftermarket anyway for the noise and aesthetic benefits - OEM pipes are a bit weedy) and the only thing I can think of engine wise is that cambelt, water pump should have been done. Also there are things flying about regarding dephasers; not sure what they are or what they do (cam related I think) but maybe read up on any known issues.
Only other thing to note is that from cold the F4R feels very 'tight' and reluctant; this is normal, once the oil warms slightly it will lossen up substantially, obviously if it doesn't I'd potentially walk away.
Get over to ClioSport.net for more info if you need it.
182 cup is the pared down (only 20kg lighter) track orientated version of the 182 i.e. no climate control (does have manual air-con though), basic cloth interior, no xenons, crappy stereo, no auto headlight adjustment or headlight washers, no lateral airbags, no heat reflecting windscreen or automatic wipers.
If she wants all of the above then best look at the 182. Difference is pretty obvious as the Cup doesn't have the part-leather interior.
There were two key options for the 182;
1) A 'Cup' chassis upgrade (all of the following was standard on the 182 cup) which, added Michelin rubber with stiffer sidewalls (tyres have probably been changed a few times by 60k though), a 3mm lower ride height, stiffer springs and dampers and new steering geometry plus anthracite colour wheels. The front track is 20mm wider and the rear track is 10mm wider.
2) A 'Cup' spoiler pack (front and rear)
As far as things to watch out for I'm not too sure as I had mine (182 cup) from 20k - 30k when it was less than 3 years old. The only things that went wrong with mine was a faulty ABS sensor that was reset and then finally replaced under warranty.
I have heard that the OEM exhaust system rusts (I'd replace it with an aftermarket anyway for the noise and aesthetic benefits - OEM pipes are a bit weedy) and the only thing I can think of engine wise is that cambelt, water pump should have been done. Also there are things flying about regarding dephasers; not sure what they are or what they do (cam related I think) but maybe read up on any known issues.
Only other thing to note is that from cold the F4R feels very 'tight' and reluctant; this is normal, once the oil warms slightly it will lossen up substantially, obviously if it doesn't I'd potentially walk away.
Get over to ClioSport.net for more info if you need it.
Edited by Ginger goblin on Friday 13th January 10:48
Sorry, I meant this model;
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
I'd forgotten the 'Cup' version was slightly stripped down.
She's erring back on the side of the Ka now because her insurance quote on that is £630pa and the Clio is £940pa as she only has 1yr NCB (she's 25).
Personally I think it's a mistake, she forever complains her crappy 1litre Corsa doesn't have enough power so a 92bhp Ka isn't much of a step up. I fear once the novelty of "ooh... shiny... new..." has worn off she'll still be complaining about the same issues.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...
I'd forgotten the 'Cup' version was slightly stripped down.
She's erring back on the side of the Ka now because her insurance quote on that is £630pa and the Clio is £940pa as she only has 1yr NCB (she's 25).
Personally I think it's a mistake, she forever complains her crappy 1litre Corsa doesn't have enough power so a 92bhp Ka isn't much of a step up. I fear once the novelty of "ooh... shiny... new..." has worn off she'll still be complaining about the same issues.
Ka's will rust like hell and the turning circle is shockingly bad but good fun and more performance than figures suggest, or at least it feels quicker but there is a big negative... Never buy one if you expect to have a crash in one. It's a tin can and the Renault at that age was miles more safer and feels much more solid.
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