peugeot 405 srdt wont start!
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Hi guys,
Any help on this subject would be appreciated. I recently bought a 94 peugeot 405 SRDT and it seemed to run and start fine when i bought it, although it was sluggish. Soon after i got it home, it wouldnt start. I have done many things to try and rectify the problem but to little avail. It turned out i had a leak in a fuel line and wasnt getting much fuel into the injector pump. I replaced a hose and now i have full pressure to the injector pump with no air leak. Still wouldnt start.
I then looked to glow plugs. I took them all out and tested them by putting a little oil on the end of them and connecting them to the battery to see if they would burn the oil. They all burned the oil within 3 seconds so i know they work. However, the glow plug light on the dash doesnt come on when i turn the key. I have seen it briefly but only once. I have tested to see if i was getting power to the plugs and im not getting power to them. I replaced the relay with a relay i know works and the light came on only once but never again. I even changed the wire from the relay to the glow plugs but it still didnt get power to them. Where do i go from here? I know i need to get power to the glow plugs but im not sure how at this stage. I thought there was only one relay that had anything to do with it.
Also, does anyone know exactly where the fuel shut off solenoid is on the fuel injector pump? Is it under the rubber thing on the side of it?
Help!!!
lamlam
Any help on this subject would be appreciated. I recently bought a 94 peugeot 405 SRDT and it seemed to run and start fine when i bought it, although it was sluggish. Soon after i got it home, it wouldnt start. I have done many things to try and rectify the problem but to little avail. It turned out i had a leak in a fuel line and wasnt getting much fuel into the injector pump. I replaced a hose and now i have full pressure to the injector pump with no air leak. Still wouldnt start.
I then looked to glow plugs. I took them all out and tested them by putting a little oil on the end of them and connecting them to the battery to see if they would burn the oil. They all burned the oil within 3 seconds so i know they work. However, the glow plug light on the dash doesnt come on when i turn the key. I have seen it briefly but only once. I have tested to see if i was getting power to the plugs and im not getting power to them. I replaced the relay with a relay i know works and the light came on only once but never again. I even changed the wire from the relay to the glow plugs but it still didnt get power to them. Where do i go from here? I know i need to get power to the glow plugs but im not sure how at this stage. I thought there was only one relay that had anything to do with it.
Also, does anyone know exactly where the fuel shut off solenoid is on the fuel injector pump? Is it under the rubber thing on the side of it?
Help!!!
lamlam
Have you tried Easy start/startyou b
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Take a power from the battery,touch it onto one of the glow plugs for 15secs and try and start it.
Solenoid should be a screw in with a green/blue top with awire bolted to the top of it.Unscrew it remove the plunger screw it back in .If it starts you will have to stall it to stop it.
HTH
d?Take a power from the battery,touch it onto one of the glow plugs for 15secs and try and start it.
Solenoid should be a screw in with a green/blue top with awire bolted to the top of it.Unscrew it remove the plunger screw it back in .If it starts you will have to stall it to stop it.
HTH
I'll put direct power to a plug tomorrow to see if it will start and run for a while. I have a can of start you b... and it doesn't make the car start at all, only shudder. I've checked the glow plugs and i'm pretty confident i have fuel because, If the car does start, it will run all day and i can stop it and start it as many times as i want. Its just when it sits overnight, it just wont start that first time. Does that eliminate the fuel cut off solenoid? I'd like to check it anyway. What would cause this strange thing?
Good idea on the one way valve. I'll probably end up doing that. The first thing i looked at when it didnt start was the fuel lines. It turned out i had a leak in that line between the filter and the injector pump so i replaced that and no more leaks. Before i attempt to start it i always prime the bulb and i would have thought that it would probably start without the glow plugs, especially if i sprayed start ya b in it but it doesnt. I know the glow plugs arent getting any power at all and are never getting hot so thats where im at right now.
This morning i ran power directly to the glow plugs from the battery and i hope they were getting hot but i dont know for sure. I would imagine so but i suspect just one plug would have been getting hot. I also primed the fuel system and removed any air but It still didn't start. Didnt even chug. I even used start ya bd. Im going to see if i can remove the plunger on the fuel stop solenoid but at first glance, it looks like there is lots of things in the way to stop me removing the solenoid completely. I still think this is all electrically related but it wont start without fuel!! Do i just pull up the rubber with a screw driver to get the plunger out? I dont want to damage it if i dont have too!
d. Im going to see if i can remove the plunger on the fuel stop solenoid but at first glance, it looks like there is lots of things in the way to stop me removing the solenoid completely. I still think this is all electrically related but it wont start without fuel!! Do i just pull up the rubber with a screw driver to get the plunger out? I dont want to damage it if i dont have too!It's odd ir wont go on start y b..Mine would start on wd 40.
Is someone helping you or are you trying to get it going on your own?
If solo ,enlist a key turner so you can spray while they turn the engine over, remember no glow plugs!
Does it have a fuel cut off by the timing belt cover(rubber covered switch about 20mm square)or an immobiliser/keypad.
On the pump is there a 24mm headed switch screwed into the pump or are there wires going into the end of the pump?If the latter the solonoid is in the end of the pump and you may have to remove the pump to remove the solonoid.
Does it start with a tow?If so it's doubtful it's the solonoid as it shouldn't start atall if that's failed.
Is someone helping you or are you trying to get it going on your own?
If solo ,enlist a key turner so you can spray while they turn the engine over, remember no glow plugs!
Does it have a fuel cut off by the timing belt cover(rubber covered switch about 20mm square)or an immobiliser/keypad.
On the pump is there a 24mm headed switch screwed into the pump or are there wires going into the end of the pump?If the latter the solonoid is in the end of the pump and you may have to remove the pump to remove the solonoid.
Does it start with a tow?If so it's doubtful it's the solonoid as it shouldn't start atall if that's failed.
A little more info on it. The car hasnt started all week but last week i had it going. When i am able to get it running, it will run all day and start any time i want it too. When i leave it overnight it wont start the next day. Does that mean that fuel stop solenoid is ok? I would think so.
I have been trying to start it by myself. With the start ya b... My glow plugs never receive power so i have been trying to start it as is. Are you saying i need to remove the glow plugs or just make sure there is no power going to them?
After todays work, I know that the glow plugs are good, the glow plug relay is good and is receiving power, however, it wont switch on when i turn the key. It has to be a short or bad connection between the ignition module and the glow plug relay. Is there anything else you can think of? How could i check to see if that was the problem?
I must be getting close to figuring this out, hopefully tomorrow and thanks for your help!
Do you own a diesel pug?
lamlam
I have been trying to start it by myself. With the start ya b... My glow plugs never receive power so i have been trying to start it as is. Are you saying i need to remove the glow plugs or just make sure there is no power going to them?
After todays work, I know that the glow plugs are good, the glow plug relay is good and is receiving power, however, it wont switch on when i turn the key. It has to be a short or bad connection between the ignition module and the glow plug relay. Is there anything else you can think of? How could i check to see if that was the problem?
I must be getting close to figuring this out, hopefully tomorrow and thanks for your help!
Do you own a diesel pug?
lamlam
It can't be the stop solonoid if once running it runs all day.
If using start y b don't give the glow plugs chance to work that's all.If you fix a wire to the glow plug connection that you canhold it onto the battery in the morning for 15 seconds and energise the glow plugs that will make them all glow.
I have run diesel citroens for 20 years ,bx xm xantia c5 c4 and have been repairing them and other stuff since 1988.
If using start y b don't give the glow plugs chance to work that's all.If you fix a wire to the glow plug connection that you canhold it onto the battery in the morning for 15 seconds and energise the glow plugs that will make them all glow.
I have run diesel citroens for 20 years ,bx xm xantia c5 c4 and have been repairing them and other stuff since 1988.
You know plenty about these cars then. I put a wire from the glow plug rail directly to the battery and held it there for 20 seconds. When i turned the key, the glow plug lights came on for a few seconds and the car started first time. Thanks very much for your help. What does this all mean though? Isnt it wierd that the relay only worked when the plugs were hot? I am going to keep that wire connected to the glow plug rail permanently and use it when i have too.
Thanks again!
Thanks again!
There are 2 screw in plugs mounted to the wall next to the air filter box. Thats pretty close to the battery and i am fairly confident that the wire does go through there somewhere. You could be onto something here. Do i just unscrew them and take a look?
Here's another question for future reference. How do i change the serpentine belt? I was looking in there yesterday for a place to put my socket wrench to loosen the belt but none of the pulleys seem to have one. Do you know an easy way to take the belt off?
What kind of car do you drive now? Have you heard anything these diesel engine's going to a million k's? Surely everything else will break before then but ive heard rumors!
lamlam
Here's another question for future reference. How do i change the serpentine belt? I was looking in there yesterday for a place to put my socket wrench to loosen the belt but none of the pulleys seem to have one. Do you know an easy way to take the belt off?
What kind of car do you drive now? Have you heard anything these diesel engine's going to a million k's? Surely everything else will break before then but ive heard rumors!
lamlam
lamlam said:
There are 2 screw in plugs mounted to the wall next to the air filter box. Thats pretty close to the battery and i am fairly confident that the wire does go through there somewhere. You could be onto something here. Do i just unscrew them and take a look?
If you're the brave type
Here's another question for future reference. How do i change the serpentine belt? I was looking in there yesterday for a place to put my socket wrench to loosen the belt but none of the pulleys seem to have one. Do you know an easy way to take the belt off?
Does it have the lollipop type tensioner?If so there are two cap head screws and another underneath to wind the tensioner upp and down
What kind of car do you drive now? Have you heard anything these diesel engine's going to a million k's? Surely everything else will break before then but ive heard rumors!
Xantia hdi 165000 miles,the highest mileage i have seen is 290,000 on a bx td and 450,000 miles on a cx25
lamlam
If you're the brave type
Here's another question for future reference. How do i change the serpentine belt? I was looking in there yesterday for a place to put my socket wrench to loosen the belt but none of the pulleys seem to have one. Do you know an easy way to take the belt off?
Does it have the lollipop type tensioner?If so there are two cap head screws and another underneath to wind the tensioner upp and down
What kind of car do you drive now? Have you heard anything these diesel engine's going to a million k's? Surely everything else will break before then but ive heard rumors!
Xantia hdi 165000 miles,the highest mileage i have seen is 290,000 on a bx td and 450,000 miles on a cx25
lamlam
Right again. It had a lollipop style tensioner and shouldnt be a problem. thanks
So, The problem with my car only went away for a day and a half. This was the first time i have had my glow plug light coming on though and every time the glow plug light came on and went off after a few seconds, the car started very quickly and ran well. I'm afraid my problems arent over and the car wont start now, even after holding a wire on the positive terminal to the glow plugs, The car chugs but wont actually start. It has to be a faulty connection somewhere between the key and the glow plug relay. It looks like it wont start unless the glow plugs are working which is fine, i just need to solve the riddle! Is it time for me to open up that round plug thats full of wires near the battery?
So, The problem with my car only went away for a day and a half. This was the first time i have had my glow plug light coming on though and every time the glow plug light came on and went off after a few seconds, the car started very quickly and ran well. I'm afraid my problems arent over and the car wont start now, even after holding a wire on the positive terminal to the glow plugs, The car chugs but wont actually start. It has to be a faulty connection somewhere between the key and the glow plug relay. It looks like it wont start unless the glow plugs are working which is fine, i just need to solve the riddle! Is it time for me to open up that round plug thats full of wires near the battery?
I'll head up the street and get a one way valve for the fuel line. I checked through the wires and found out that the red wire is the power to the glow plug relay. I unscrewed the round plug and all connectors were in good shape with no corrosion. I cant imagine there being corrosion inside the plug itself when the terminals dont have any. I opened up the ignition and checked all the plugs there and they all seem to be fine.
I then used a multimeter to check if the red wire was getting current when i turned the key and its not getting any power. Now.... to get power to it, is it ok to attach another wire to the red wire and touch it to the battery or is that too much power? I would think it would be ok but i just thought i'd check with you.
My next train of thought was to figure out a way to bypass all the other wires and run a direct wire from the ignition to the glow plug relay or something along those lines. Still a bit strange that it works intermittently but it is what it is. Have you ever had this kind of issue? This is my first diesel car and it sure has been a big headache so far. I hope to get it going and get past all this soon.
lamlam
I then used a multimeter to check if the red wire was getting current when i turned the key and its not getting any power. Now.... to get power to it, is it ok to attach another wire to the red wire and touch it to the battery or is that too much power? I would think it would be ok but i just thought i'd check with you.
My next train of thought was to figure out a way to bypass all the other wires and run a direct wire from the ignition to the glow plug relay or something along those lines. Still a bit strange that it works intermittently but it is what it is. Have you ever had this kind of issue? This is my first diesel car and it sure has been a big headache so far. I hope to get it going and get past all this soon.
lamlam
I really dont know if anything else works intermittently. The longest ive ever driven it is 1 day. I know the a/c cuts in and out but i would have thought that was because the freon was getting a little low. Its been far too hot here to test if the heaters work. Are you saying i should just replace the ignition module and see how that goes? I will run power to the wire first and see if that causes the relay to turn on. I also bought a new battery yesterday just to make sure i was getting enough volts, but it made no difference. I'll get back to you with results!
lamlam
lamlam
I ran a wire from the battery to the red glow plug relay wire and it had over 12 volts running through it but the relay didnt kick on when i had the ignition on. Im not 100% sure im doing it right but i know that the red wire is the only one that goes to the ignition and i put power to it. I remembered something from earlier last week when i had it running. When the glow plug light did come on, i could hear that click of the relay, and also what sounded like a werring sound or the sound of a fan or something winding up. Not sure what, but i dont get that sound either when that glow plug light doesnt come on. Is there a computer on these that could be causing the problem? Remember i do have another of these cars im wrecking so i have pretty much any part that i can use to switch out. I checked the ignition module wire plugs and they all seemed fine to the naked eye. Is there a chance it could be that? Something is faulty here and i'd love to get this sorted. Its my daily driver! Do you know how to get the ignition module out and switch it over? I undone a screw on the back but it seems wedged in there or something. Any idea's would be awesome!
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