Toe in or Toe out??

[Tyre-Squeal]

Ok, odd question I guess but which is better for cornering? Toe in or Toe out?

In itself not an odd question but this is going to be applied to a mardave, or to the none geeks out there, a small remote comtrolled car.

Thanks

Thom

[pembo]

Are you sure it's not going to be a mk4 golf? I think utterly clueless has a new account

[SoapyShowerBoy]

Is it rear wheel drive? I assume it is.

toe in will make it more stable in a striaght line at speed but at the expense of cornering (this is forza talking BTW )



.......... and that is all i know

[bridgdav]

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[Darkslider]

pembo said:

Are you sure it's not going to be a mk4 golf? I think utterly clueless has a new account

His is a mk3. And toe in if the car is RWD, otherwise just set it to 0 degrees (straight ahead)

Toe doesn't affect cornering much, it might be camber you're thinking of. In which case slightly more negative camber will give more grip when cornering hard.

Either way it won't make a blind bit of difference on an RC car?

[asbo]

+ toe at the rear will make the car more responsive but less stable. - toe at the rear is the reverse of this.

+ toe at the front has less effect than applying +/- toe at the rear, but similar rules apply.

Anyway, I stopped arsing about with toy cars when I got my Licence

[Tyre-Squeal]

I have a license but i also race model cars. Its a hobby.

No this isnt for a MK3 golf, its for a model 205 GTi.

I have just spent 30 seconds precicely sanding the wishbones so my car is now running lots of negative chamber

as i can also adjust toe (properly not bodge method) i was wondering if it would make a difference.

Thom

[asbo]

Tyre-Squeal said:

I have a license but i also race model cars. Its a hobby.

No this isnt for a MK3 golf, its for a model 205 GTi.

I have just spent 30 seconds precicely sanding the wishbones so my car is now running lots of negative chamber

as i can also adjust toe (properly not bodge method) i was wondering if it would make a difference.

Thom

Yes it will, the priciples are still the same (to a degree) but remember that even minute adjustmesnts (to the rear especially) will make a dramatic difference.

[Tyre-Squeal]

Fair enough.

My cars only front adjustable though as its a solid rear axle.

[nickg123]

If you give it a bit of toe-out at the front it should give you a lot more turn in but will be less stable in a straight line.

We used to do this when racing on dirt, it allows the inside wheel to turn in harder if it's toe-ing out so to speak. Pretty simple when you think about it :-)

[GPT]

Sorry to ruin your fun but I imagine it's trivially easy to change the toe-in/out on your r/c car, in which case just try different settings until it is the best you think you can get.

Some people really are Utterly Clueless

[Tyre-Squeal]

GPT said:

Sorry to ruin your fun but I imagine it's trivially easy to change the toe-in/out on your r/c car, in which case just try different settings until it is the best you think you can get.

Some people really are Utterly Clueless

Some would say im 'Not All There'

[Darkslider]

Tyre-Squeal said:

GPT said:

Sorry to ruin your fun but I imagine it's trivially easy to change the toe-in/out on your r/c car, in which case just try different settings until it is the best you think you can get.

Some people really are Utterly Clueless

Some would say im 'Not All There'

Why do you keep changing your name? I could understand it if you wanted to stop people making assumptions about you before even reading your posts, but you then continue to sign your posts with 'Thom'?

WTF?

[dpbird90]

Hi, I'm not sure on Mardaves, but I've been running 1 degree toe out on the Cyclone, which is 4WD, but can you adjust the toe of the rears? If so, have 3 degrees toe in at the rear, and no toe or 1 degree in/out according to your driving style for the front. Toe in at the front makes it more stable, but if, like me, you like your R/C to be really quick at changing direction, sometimes at the expense of rear grip, have some toe out. Also, for more handling from your Mardave, have you got the diff unit in the back?

[khevolution]

there is no diff on the rear, just a simple spur gear on the rear axel

[dpbird90]

khevolution said:

there is no diff on the rear, just a simple spur gear on the rear axel

The joys of direct drive...

I do believe there is a differential unit for the Mardave, not sure how much it costs but it'll really aid the handling.

[revrange]

So they still make mardaves, best beginners car on the market, well 15 years ago! Organised a group buy for local club. Ended up building 10 of them for kids, but great in that break a part its 50p rather than Tamiya £10.

[khevolution]

well i bought my self one for the winter months, for a bit of banger racing at my local indoor club, still haven't finished building it actually will have to some time soon, will be good fun wizzing round on some laminate flooring

[Red V8]

I found that toe in makes my monster truck turn in much quicker than toe out... toe out was better for straight line stability... have to watch for tipping over now though.

as for giving these up when you get a licence... that's only temporary, you'll come back to them in 20 or so years..