1/18 #23 Porsche 917K Attwood/Herrmann

[DrJAyres]

Just back from the Porsche Museum yesterday and I’ve decided I’d really like to get a 1:18 model of the 1970 #23 Porsche 917K Le Mans winner for my collection.

My two options from what I can find are CMR Models or Norev. I was wondering if anyone had any advice as to which would be better? I’ve had some good Norev models in the past, but never a CMR model.


Photo from the Museum Yesterday (If you haven’t been, it’s fantastic!)

[dr_gn]

I’ve got an Auto Art one:



It’s OK but pretty crude in terms of mechanical detail. I think Motor Sport are offering one signed:

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/shop/model-cars...

If that’s the same as mine, in my opinion there’s no way it’s worth that. How much the signature is worth, I don’t know, but as a model I’d have thought about £50 tops would be about right.

[DrJAyres]

Thanks! Think £299 is pushing it a bit. The Norev and CMR are £60 and to be honest for me I can deal with £60 quality. Was just wondering if £60 is better spent on Norev or CMR?

[dr_gn]

No idea, but I must admit from the images I've seen, despite massive price differences, they all look alike!

Have you got links to the different makes?

[DrJAyres]

This is the CMR - https://ck-modelcars.de/en/cmr-1-18-porsche-917k-n...

Think it has slightly less detail than the AutoArt, doesn’t have the number illumination lights for example.

Here is the Norev - https://www.toms.nl/article/nor187586

Can’t really find a better picture of that one. Think it’s old stock.

Norev do make a 1/12 which looks alright. But I don’t usually collect 1/12 - https://www.norev.com/en/24-hours-of-le-mans/8741-...

[dr_gn]

DrJAyres said:

This is the CMR - https://ck-modelcars.de/en/cmr-1-18-porsche-917k-n...

Think it has slightly less detail than the AutoArt, doesn’t have the number illumination lights for example.

Here is the Norev - https://www.toms.nl/article/nor187586

Can’t really find a better picture of that one. Think it’s old stock.

Norev do make a 1/12 which looks alright. But I don’t usually collect 1/12 - https://www.norev.com/en/24-hours-of-le-mans/8741-...

Looking at those I'd say the Auto Art one that I've got is *possibly* a bit better. There's a second hand one on EBay at £48.20 all-in, Buy-it-Now. Which I'd say is about right for that standard of detail.

Could offer £40 and see what happens?

[DrJAyres]

dr_gn said:

DrJAyres said:

This is the CMR - https://ck-modelcars.de/en/cmr-1-18-porsche-917k-n...

Think it has slightly less detail than the AutoArt, doesn’t have the number illumination lights for example.

Here is the Norev - https://www.toms.nl/article/nor187586

Can’t really find a better picture of that one. Think it’s old stock.

Norev do make a 1/12 which looks alright. But I don’t usually collect 1/12 - https://www.norev.com/en/24-hours-of-le-mans/8741-...

Looking at those I'd say the Auto Art one that I've got is *possibly* a bit better. There's a second hand one on EBay at £48.20 all-in, Buy-it-Now. Which I'd say is about right for that standard of detail.

Could offer £40 and see what happens?

Can’t find the one on Ebay, got a link? Thanks for the help!

[dr_gn]

DrJAyres said:

dr_gn said:

DrJAyres said:

This is the CMR - https://ck-modelcars.de/en/cmr-1-18-porsche-917k-n...

Think it has slightly less detail than the AutoArt, doesn’t have the number illumination lights for example.

Here is the Norev - https://www.toms.nl/article/nor187586

Can’t really find a better picture of that one. Think it’s old stock.

Norev do make a 1/12 which looks alright. But I don’t usually collect 1/12 - https://www.norev.com/en/24-hours-of-le-mans/8741-...

Looking at those I'd say the Auto Art one that I've got is *possibly* a bit better. There's a second hand one on EBay at £48.20 all-in, Buy-it-Now. Which I'd say is about right for that standard of detail.

Could offer £40 and see what happens?

Can’t find the one on Ebay, got a link? Thanks for the help!

Item # 264768010775

In the description box it says its a Boxter, but the listing description seems quite clear.

Also, if you put "Auto Art Porsche 917K 1970" into the search bar quite a few results seem to come up - massive variation in price.

[DrJAyres]

dr_gn said:

DrJAyres said:

dr_gn said:

DrJAyres said:

This is the CMR - https://ck-modelcars.de/en/cmr-1-18-porsche-917k-n...

Think it has slightly less detail than the AutoArt, doesn’t have the number illumination lights for example.

Here is the Norev - https://www.toms.nl/article/nor187586

Can’t really find a better picture of that one. Think it’s old stock.

Norev do make a 1/12 which looks alright. But I don’t usually collect 1/12 - https://www.norev.com/en/24-hours-of-le-mans/8741-...

Looking at those I'd say the Auto Art one that I've got is *possibly* a bit better. There's a second hand one on EBay at £48.20 all-in, Buy-it-Now. Which I'd say is about right for that standard of detail.

Could offer £40 and see what happens?

Can’t find the one on Ebay, got a link? Thanks for the help!

Item # 264768010775

In the description box it says its a Boxter, but the listing description seems quite clear.

Also, if you put "Auto Art Porsche 917K 1970" into the search bar quite a few results seem to come up - massive variation in price.

That’s one is only a 1/43 scale. Thanks though but I’d like a 1/18. AutoArt 1/18 prices are a bit high I think. Will probably try the CMR

[waynecyclist]

I think the main difference is that Norev is diecast and CMR is resin body.

Norev would be my choice

[DrJAyres]

waynecyclist said:

I think the main difference is that Norev is diecast and CMR is resin body.

Norev would be my choice

Ah i See, in all of my 60+ 1:18 I’ve not had a resin, all diecast. Might aim for the Norev in that case.

What would you suggest is the advantage of diecast over resin?

[waynecyclist]

DrJAyres said:

waynecyclist said:

I think the main difference is that Norev is diecast and CMR is resin body.

Norev would be my choice

Ah i See, in all of my 60+ 1:18 I’ve not had a resin, all diecast. Might aim for the Norev in that case.

What would you suggest is the advantage of diecast over resin?

I am not a fan of resin, they tend to feel a little fragile

Norev may / will have opening parts and steerable wheels, CMR will be closed body and fixed steering.

[dr_gn]

DrJAyres said:

dr_gn said:

DrJAyres said:

dr_gn said:

DrJAyres said:

This is the CMR - https://ck-modelcars.de/en/cmr-1-18-porsche-917k-n...

Think it has slightly less detail than the AutoArt, doesn’t have the number illumination lights for example.

Here is the Norev - https://www.toms.nl/article/nor187586

Can’t really find a better picture of that one. Think it’s old stock.

Norev do make a 1/12 which looks alright. But I don’t usually collect 1/12 - https://www.norev.com/en/24-hours-of-le-mans/8741-...

Looking at those I'd say the Auto Art one that I've got is *possibly* a bit better. There's a second hand one on EBay at £48.20 all-in, Buy-it-Now. Which I'd say is about right for that standard of detail.

Could offer £40 and see what happens?

Can’t find the one on Ebay, got a link? Thanks for the help!

Item # 264768010775

In the description box it says its a Boxter, but the listing description seems quite clear.

Also, if you put "Auto Art Porsche 917K 1970" into the search bar quite a few results seem to come up - massive variation in price.

That’s one is only a 1/43 scale. Thanks though but I’d like a 1/18. AutoArt 1/18 prices are a bit high I think. Will probably try the CMR

Ahhh sorry, I think I initially put 1:18 into the search as well, and that one came up.

[DrJAyres]

dr_gn said:

DrJAyres said:

dr_gn said:

DrJAyres said:

dr_gn said:

DrJAyres said:

This is the CMR - https://ck-modelcars.de/en/cmr-1-18-porsche-917k-n...

Think it has slightly less detail than the AutoArt, doesn’t have the number illumination lights for example.

Here is the Norev - https://www.toms.nl/article/nor187586

Can’t really find a better picture of that one. Think it’s old stock.

Norev do make a 1/12 which looks alright. But I don’t usually collect 1/12 - https://www.norev.com/en/24-hours-of-le-mans/8741-...

Looking at those I'd say the Auto Art one that I've got is *possibly* a bit better. There's a second hand one on EBay at £48.20 all-in, Buy-it-Now. Which I'd say is about right for that standard of detail.

Could offer £40 and see what happens?

Can’t find the one on Ebay, got a link? Thanks for the help!

Item # 264768010775

In the description box it says its a Boxter, but the listing description seems quite clear.

Also, if you put "Auto Art Porsche 917K 1970" into the search bar quite a few results seem to come up - massive variation in price.

That’s one is only a 1/43 scale. Thanks though but I’d like a 1/18. AutoArt 1/18 prices are a bit high I think. Will probably try the CMR

Ahhh sorry, I think I initially put 1:18 into the search as well, and that one came up.

No worries - I appreciate you taking a look!

[DrJAyres]

Just found on the Norev website that it looks like they are doing another run of the 1970 and 1971 917’s soon. I think I’ll hold out and get those!

[marcosgt]

£60 doesn't go very far on 1/18 Diecasts these days (check out diecastexchange forum and see all the people cooing over their £400 sealed resin BBRs...), but I've got a couple of CMRs (including one 917) and I reckon they are better than the Norevs I have, although neither are bad if you accept where the price point is these days.

I've got Exoto Group C cars I paid less than £100 for, but it was a while ago - Although not long ago for inflation to be the reason diecast collecting is so damned expensive these days...

Looking for a used AutoART, though, is worthwhile, sometimes a bargain crops up.

M

[72twink]

I’ve got the Autoart “McQueen” version, the thing that swung it for me was the gaping join in the sills the other options have where they’ve taken a short cut on the tail versions.