Drone operator registration

[anonymous-user]

Saw this on the BBC News site.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48108817

They want to charge £16.50 per year for this..

[300bhp/ton]

The plans looks crazy. Overcharging big time to create a step closer to a Nazi state.

Please feedback:
https://consultations.caa.co.uk/finance/drone-regi...

Some good info here:
https://youtu.be/Lha_puQpOus

[Turn7]

More Govt kneejerk reactionary bullst.....

Lets makes guns/big knives illegal - thatll stop people getting killed.....


Out of touch, useless, self serving wkers, the lot of them.


And---! who the fk came up with the the 16 pound sodding 50 ffs.......

[.:ian:.]

Turn7 said:

More Govt kneejerk reactionary bullst.....

Lets makes guns/big knives illegal - thatll stop people getting killed.....


Out of touch, useless, self serving wkers, the lot of them.


And---! who the fk came up with the the 16 pound sodding 50 ffs.......

At £15 it would like someone picked an arbitrary figure.
£16.50 is like someone carefully calculated the figure.

[300bhp/ton]

.:ian:. said:

At £15 it would like someone picked an arbitrary figure.
£16.50 is like someone carefully calculated the figure.

Watch the vid I linked. It explains it quite well.

[Olivera]

Excellent news, if far too cheap.

[300bhp/ton]

Olivera said:

Excellent news, if far too cheap.

Are you being a knob or just obtuse or haven’t you even bothered to look into what is being suggested?

[Jaguar steve]

300bhp/ton said:

Olivera said:

Excellent news, if far too cheap.

Are you being a knob or just obtuse or haven’t you even bothered to look into what is being suggested?

I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of people who had their Gatwick travel plans ruined just before Christmas last year would be up for drone registration and no doubt every airline crew member and operator in the world wouldn't have any problem with it. Given the choice I'd prefer not have one sucked into an engine or smashed into the control surfaces when I'm flying either .

Cant see what's not to like myself.

[brman]

Jaguar steve said:

300bhp/ton said:

Olivera said:

Excellent news, if far too cheap.

Are you being a knob or just obtuse or haven’t you even bothered to look into what is being suggested?

I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of people who had their Gatwick travel plans ruined just before Christmas last year would be up for drone registration and no doubt every airline crew member and operator in the world wouldn't have any problem with it. Given the choice I'd prefer not have one sucked into an engine or smashed into the control surfaces when I'm flying either .

Cant see what's not to like myself.

While I am not anti the registration scheme as such I do wonder why you think it would have made any difference to the gatwick problem?
Do you think that people who use drones for criminal purposes would actually register them???!!!

[300bhp/ton]

Jaguar steve said:

I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of people who had their Gatwick travel plans ruined just before Christmas last year would be up for drone registration and no doubt every airline crew member and operator in the world wouldn't have any problem with it. Given the choice I'd prefer not have one sucked into an engine or smashed into the control surfaces when I'm flying either .

Cant see what's not to like myself.

Are you serious or just being daft? I can tell you haven't read the proposal. Which is the problem, too many idiots will say great without bothering to look.


1. Do you seriously believe that criminals performing criminal acts intentionally will be stopped or caught by registration? I mean, do you seriously think bank robbers use a car registered in their name as a get away vehicle with the number plates still attached? Do you think terrorist only ever use their own car so they can be tracked easily?

The mind boggles quite frankly.


2. As for the proposed Drone registration it means this:

• You need to be 18 to OWN a model aircraft (not just drone), basically licencing them like a firearm
• You have to take an exam every 3 years in order to fly a model plane (even in doors)
• You have to pay £16.50 each year for the privileged which makes it more expensive than a shotgun certificate or a driving licence
• You have to deface your models with a registration number
• Risk a £1000 fine

Just to help you figure out what this means. A small parkflier aircraft like this, which is made from polystyrene and that you'd typically only fly a few hundred feet away from you.



Will now require you to be 18 to own one. Must take an exam before you can fly it and must pay £16.50 every year.


RC aircraft have been around for 40+ years, so this would impact 1000's of people who have been flying for decades. As well as make it much harder for young people/children to get involved.

[Jaguar steve]

300bhp/ton said:

Jaguar steve said:

I'm sure the hundreds of thousands of people who had their Gatwick travel plans ruined just before Christmas last year would be up for drone registration and no doubt every airline crew member and operator in the world wouldn't have any problem with it. Given the choice I'd prefer not have one sucked into an engine or smashed into the control surfaces when I'm flying either .

Cant see what's not to like myself.

Are you serious or just being daft? I can tell you haven't read the proposal. Which is the problem, too many idiots will say great without bothering to look.


1. Do you seriously believe that criminals performing criminal acts intentionally will be stopped or caught by registration? I mean, do you seriously think bank robbers use a car registered in their name as a get away vehicle with the number plates still attached? Do you think terrorist only ever use their own car so they can be tracked easily?

The mind boggles quite frankly.


2. As for the proposed Drone registration it means this:

• You need to be 18 to OWN a model aircraft (not just drone), basically licencing them like a firearm
• You have to take an exam every 3 years in order to fly a model plane (even in doors)
• You have to pay £16.50 each year for the privileged which makes it more expensive than a shotgun certificate or a driving licence
• You have to deface your models with a registration number
• Risk a £1000 fine

Just to help you figure out what this means. A small parkflier aircraft like this, which is made from polystyrene and that you'd typically only fly a few hundred feet away from you.



Will now require you to be 18 to own one. Must take an exam before you can fly it and must pay £16.50 every year.


RC aircraft have been around for 40+ years, so this would impact 1000's of people who have been flying for decades. As well as make it much harder for young people/children to get involved.

Just to stop you from jumping to any more conclusions, yes I have read the proposal word for word and see no mention of any registration requirement for anything except drones exceeding 250g in it. Given the irresponsible and highly dangerous manner in which they can and have been used I don't have any problem with that at all.

You can of course quite reasonably suggest that anybody up to no good with a drone will hardly be likely to register it but in the act of creating a compulsory register you also create the need for anybody found in possession of a unregistered drone with possible criminal intent to offer an explanation of why they aren't on it.

[300bhp/ton]

Jaguar steve said:

Just to stop you from jumping to any more conclusions, yes I have read the proposal word for word and see no mention of any registration requirement for anything except drones exceeding 250g in it.

It clearly says aircraft not just drone.





250grams includes the battery. So almost all fixed wing aircraft will be included apart from the Ultra Micro's.

This means things like the small spit above and this:


All made from foam and have been available for 25 years + like this.


Or are you seriously saying you honestly think you need to be 18 years old to own something like this now and that you must pay to fly it and that you must take an exam that actually has nothing to do with competency of flying.

Jaguar steve said:

Given the irresponsible and highly dangerous manner in which they can and have been used I don't have any problem with that at all.

Baseball bats can be used in dangerous manners too, should we also licence them and restrict to adults? And do you really think it is fair to penalise 1000's for a tiny majority who have already disregarded current legislation and who will just totally ignore the new legislation anyway.

[Jaguar steve]

300bhp/ton said:

Jaguar steve said:

Just to stop you from jumping to any more conclusions, yes I have read the proposal word for word and see no mention of any registration requirement for anything except drones exceeding 250g in it.

It clearly says aircraft not just drone.





250grams includes the battery. So almost all fixed wing aircraft will be included apart from the Ultra Micro's.

This means things like the small spit above and this:


All made from foam and have been available for 25 years + like this.


Or are you seriously saying you honestly think you need to be 18 years old to own something like this now and that you must pay to fly it and that you must take an exam that actually has nothing to do with competency of flying.

Jaguar steve said:

Given the irresponsible and highly dangerous manner in which they can and have been used I don't have any problem with that at all.

Baseball bats can be used in dangerous manners too, should we also licence them and restrict to adults? And do you really think it is fair to penalise 1000's for a tiny majority who have already disregarded current legislation and who will just totally ignore the new legislation anyway.

You're now quoting from a entirely different article and not the posted bbc link - which of course I havn't read.

Doesn't change anything though...

[GetCarter]

I don't mind registration or the yearly fee... but as has been mentioned, the crims will ignore, so *almost* pointless.

[300bhp/ton]

Jaguar steve said:

You're now quoting from a entirely different article and not the posted bbc link - which of course I havn't read.

Doesn't change anything though...

I'm quoting from the ACTUAL CAA proposal FFS

How does it not change anything, it massively impacts the hobby.

[300bhp/ton]

GetCarter said:

I don't mind registration or the yearly fee... but as has been mentioned, the crims will ignore, so *almost* pointless.

Do you agree you should be 18 to buy a model plane?

Or that a 7 year old you are teaching to fly must take an exam before even being allowed to have a go?

Or that it should cost more than paying for a driving licence?

And you have no problem with it being 100% big brother and oppressive in nature?

[brman]

300bhp/ton said:

Do you agree you should be 18 to buy a model plane?

Or even be 18 before you can even build one? Whatever happened to kids having hobbies?

[GetCarter]

300bhp/ton said:

GetCarter said:

I don't mind registration or the yearly fee... but as has been mentioned, the crims will ignore, so *almost* pointless.

Do you agree you should be 18 to buy a model plane? 20 years ago I'd say no. Now, yes.

Or that a 7 year old you are teaching to fly must take an exam before even being allowed to have a go? No.

Or that it should cost more than paying for a driving licence? Driving licence costs WAY more as you have to learn how to drive. It's apples and pears.

And you have no problem with it being 100% big brother and oppressive in nature? You and I have different opinions on what is 100% big brother. I find walking in London with the most CCTV in the world far more intrusive to my civil liberties than having to register a drone, which after all, though just a drone, is the way we will most likely get screwed in future terrorist attacks. 'Tis sad, but true.

Having said all that, I stick to my premise, that this is a waste of time as crims won't register!

[Some Guy]

Keep the fee but make it for 3 years, much better vlue for money. Doesnt cost anything to keep an entry on a database a couple of extra years.