Adive on 850R and T-5R please
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Hi, im looking at getting an 850R or T-5R in the next month or so and had a few questions. Volvos are known for their engines being able to cope with huge mileages with proper maintenance and i assume this is the case with the Rs, assuming on course the boost hasnt been wound up on the turbos. Theres a couple which have taken my fancy in the classifieds with mileages at around 130-150k, what should i be worried about when getting involved with these kind of numbers, or am I being too cautious and these cars are just run in so to speak. Another thing is that im after a manual, for the apparent extra 25hp that isnt being sapped by the auto box and fancy a more involved drive, but are there any issues with these I should be aware of? And finally is there much difference between the T-5R and the R? I've tried to do as much homework as possible and from what I have read, the T-5R came first with a tad more power in late 95 early 96 then spawned the R with a smidge less power? I may have got all that wrong.
I've posted the links to the cars that have taken my eye, I would love some feedback on them, i.e value for money, work that needs doing etc
Thanks in advance
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3314190.htm
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3296870.htm
One other thing, whats the V70R like? They seem to fetch the same kind of money but for a newer car, due lack of sporting heritage maybe?
I prefer the boxier square lines of the 850 but the V70 could also be an option
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3320834.htm
I've posted the links to the cars that have taken my eye, I would love some feedback on them, i.e value for money, work that needs doing etc
Thanks in advance
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3314190.htm
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3296870.htm
One other thing, whats the V70R like? They seem to fetch the same kind of money but for a newer car, due lack of sporting heritage maybe?
I prefer the boxier square lines of the 850 but the V70 could also be an option
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3320834.htm
Edited by tjg16v on Wednesday 19th October 17:40
I'm on the phone so will try and be brief.
With the 850 t5, the t5r and the 850r, all the actual engines are the same. The difference is that the t5r has an overboost function (something in my brain says 30 seconds) so has 240 bhp instead of the 225 of the t5.
The 850r though (only in manual form) has a slightly larger turbo and injectors giving it 250 bhp.
The t5r and 850r have different spoilers, wheels, suspension and interior and of these the 850r again is the one to go for as the bolsters on the seats are a bit bigger and hold you in better.
Once mapped there is no difference between the t5, t5r and auto 850r.
Don't believe anyone that tells you its mapped and is now 300bhp. Complete s
te.
I'm on t5d5 as well(same username), good community, proven (at least in my eyes) that I'm still a regular nearly 2 years after I sold my t5. Oh, be careful of so called "specialists", lots of ste out there. Hth
With the 850 t5, the t5r and the 850r, all the actual engines are the same. The difference is that the t5r has an overboost function (something in my brain says 30 seconds) so has 240 bhp instead of the 225 of the t5.
The 850r though (only in manual form) has a slightly larger turbo and injectors giving it 250 bhp.
The t5r and 850r have different spoilers, wheels, suspension and interior and of these the 850r again is the one to go for as the bolsters on the seats are a bit bigger and hold you in better.
Once mapped there is no difference between the t5, t5r and auto 850r.
Don't believe anyone that tells you its mapped and is now 300bhp. Complete s
te.I'm on t5d5 as well(same username), good community, proven (at least in my eyes) that I'm still a regular nearly 2 years after I sold my t5. Oh, be careful of so called "specialists", lots of s
te out there. HthIt should be noted that t5-r dont actually produce 240bhp all the time - the ecu allows an overboost function giving an additional 15bhp. T5-rs whilst looking the business really are not that much better than a standard t5 - most are very leggy now and not worth the high premium they command - the R with manual transmission is the one to go for they have the larger td05 turbo and the viscous coupling in the diff.
Chipping? Well power outputs vary and it depends if the claim is at the wheels or at the flywheel figures - personally the underlying car is really what unleashes the power - my friends R auto is chipped - we have rebuilt the engine for him and we did it to standard specs the only difference being we ported and polished the head. With a chip and a decat to the standard exhaust it was rolling roaded at 306bhp at the flywheel but with a massive 45% loss through the drivetrain. Personally I'd avoid autos they're fine if that's what you like but they really blunt the performance. What I will say is chipping significantly and cheaply increases the performance regardless of the figures
Chipping? Well power outputs vary and it depends if the claim is at the wheels or at the flywheel figures - personally the underlying car is really what unleashes the power - my friends R auto is chipped - we have rebuilt the engine for him and we did it to standard specs the only difference being we ported and polished the head. With a chip and a decat to the standard exhaust it was rolling roaded at 306bhp at the flywheel but with a massive 45% loss through the drivetrain. Personally I'd avoid autos they're fine if that's what you like but they really blunt the performance. What I will say is chipping significantly and cheaply increases the performance regardless of the figures
It should be noted that t5-r dont actually produce 240bhp all the time - the ecu allows an overboost function giving an additional 15bhp. T5-rs whilst looking the business really are not that much better than a standard t5 - most are very leggy now and not worth the high premium they command - the R with manual transmission is the one to go for they have the larger td05 turbo and the viscous coupling in the diff.
Chipping? Well power outputs vary and it depends if the claim is at the wheels or at the flywheel figures - personally the underlying car is really what unleashes the power - my friends R auto is chipped - we have rebuilt the engine for him and we did it to standard specs the only difference being we ported and polished the head. With a chip and a decat to the standard exhaust it was rolling roaded at 306bhp at the flywheel but with a massive 45% loss through the drivetrain. Personally I'd avoid autos they're fine if that's what you like but they really blunt the performance. What I will say is chipping significantly and cheaply increases the performance regardless of the figures
Chipping? Well power outputs vary and it depends if the claim is at the wheels or at the flywheel figures - personally the underlying car is really what unleashes the power - my friends R auto is chipped - we have rebuilt the engine for him and we did it to standard specs the only difference being we ported and polished the head. With a chip and a decat to the standard exhaust it was rolling roaded at 306bhp at the flywheel but with a massive 45% loss through the drivetrain. Personally I'd avoid autos they're fine if that's what you like but they really blunt the performance. What I will say is chipping significantly and cheaply increases the performance regardless of the figures
It should be noted that t5-r dont actually produce 240bhp all the time - the ecu allows an overboost function giving an additional 15bhp. T5-rs whilst looking the business really are not that much better than a standard t5 - most are very leggy now and not worth the high premium they command - the R with manual transmission is the one to go for they have the larger td05 turbo and the viscous coupling in the diff.
Chipping? Well power outputs vary and it depends if the claim is at the wheels or at the flywheel figures - personally the underlying car is really what unleashes the power - my friends R auto is chipped - we have rebuilt the engine for him and we did it to standard specs the only difference being we ported and polished the head. With a chip and a decat to the standard exhaust it was rolling roaded at 306bhp at the flywheel but with a massive 45% loss through the drivetrain. Personally I'd avoid autos they're fine if that's what you like but they really blunt the performance. What I will say is chipping significantly and cheaply increases the performance regardless of the figures
Chipping? Well power outputs vary and it depends if the claim is at the wheels or at the flywheel figures - personally the underlying car is really what unleashes the power - my friends R auto is chipped - we have rebuilt the engine for him and we did it to standard specs the only difference being we ported and polished the head. With a chip and a decat to the standard exhaust it was rolling roaded at 306bhp at the flywheel but with a massive 45% loss through the drivetrain. Personally I'd avoid autos they're fine if that's what you like but they really blunt the performance. What I will say is chipping significantly and cheaply increases the performance regardless of the figures
It should be noted that t5-r dont actually produce 240bhp all the time - the ecu allows an overboost function giving an additional 15bhp. T5-rs whilst looking the business really are not that much better than a standard t5 - most are very leggy now and not worth the high premium they command - the R with manual transmission is the one to go for they have the larger td05 turbo and the viscous coupling in the diff.
Chipping? Well power outputs vary and it depends if the claim is at the wheels or at the flywheel figures - personally the underlying car is really what unleashes the power - my friends R auto is chipped - we have rebuilt the engine for him and we did it to standard specs the only difference being we ported and polished the head. With a chip and a decat to the standard exhaust it was rolling roaded at 306bhp at the flywheel but with a massive 45% loss through the drivetrain. Personally I'd avoid autos they're fine if that's what you like but they really blunt the performance. What I will say is chipping significantly and cheaply increases the performance regardless of the figures
Chipping? Well power outputs vary and it depends if the claim is at the wheels or at the flywheel figures - personally the underlying car is really what unleashes the power - my friends R auto is chipped - we have rebuilt the engine for him and we did it to standard specs the only difference being we ported and polished the head. With a chip and a decat to the standard exhaust it was rolling roaded at 306bhp at the flywheel but with a massive 45% loss through the drivetrain. Personally I'd avoid autos they're fine if that's what you like but they really blunt the performance. What I will say is chipping significantly and cheaply increases the performance regardless of the figures
morgrp said:
Ithe R with manual transmission is the one to go for they have the larger td05 turbo
Not so, they all have the TD04 turbo.850R has 16T, S/V70R (manual) has the 18T.
Wothrline said:
Turbochargers:
Mitsubishi TD04-13G B5254T 193hp 1996-1998 straight outlet for 850/x70.
Mitsubishi TD04-13T B5244T 193hp 1999-2000 tilted outlet for x70.
Mitsubishi TD04-13T B5244T3 200hp 2000-2002 tilted outlet for P2x.
Mitsubishi TD04-14T B5254T2 210hp 2003- tilted outlet for P2x.
Mitsubishi TD04-15G B5234T 225hp/B5234T5 240hp 1994-1995 cone outlet for 850.
Mitsubishi TD04-15G B5234T 225hp/B5234T5 240hp 1996 straight outlet for 850.
Mitsubishi TD04-16T B5234T4 250hp 1996 straight outlet for manual 850R.
Mitsubishi TD04-16T B5234T3 240hp 1997-1998 straight outlet for x70.
Mitsubishi TD04-16T B5234T3 240hp 1999-2000 tilted outlet for x70.
Mitsubishi TD04-16T B5234T3 250hp 2000-2004 tilted outlet for P2x.
Mitsubishi TD04-18T B5234T4 250hp 1997-1998 straight outlet for manual S/V70R FWD/AWD.
(18T with straight outlet have a 275/60 wastegate.)
Mitsubishi TD04-18T B5234T8 250hp 1999 tilted outlet for automatic V70R AWD (P80).
(18T with tilted outlet have a 300/70 wastegate.)
Mitsubishi TD04-19T B5244T2 265hp 2000 tilted outlet for automatic V70R AWD (P80).
KKK K24 B5254T4 300hp/B5244T5 260hp 2004- for P2x R-line and 2005- P2x T5.
http://www.wothrline.com/main/main_engine_performance.htmMitsubishi TD04-13G B5254T 193hp 1996-1998 straight outlet for 850/x70.
Mitsubishi TD04-13T B5244T 193hp 1999-2000 tilted outlet for x70.
Mitsubishi TD04-13T B5244T3 200hp 2000-2002 tilted outlet for P2x.
Mitsubishi TD04-14T B5254T2 210hp 2003- tilted outlet for P2x.
Mitsubishi TD04-15G B5234T 225hp/B5234T5 240hp 1994-1995 cone outlet for 850.
Mitsubishi TD04-15G B5234T 225hp/B5234T5 240hp 1996 straight outlet for 850.
Mitsubishi TD04-16T B5234T4 250hp 1996 straight outlet for manual 850R.
Mitsubishi TD04-16T B5234T3 240hp 1997-1998 straight outlet for x70.
Mitsubishi TD04-16T B5234T3 240hp 1999-2000 tilted outlet for x70.
Mitsubishi TD04-16T B5234T3 250hp 2000-2004 tilted outlet for P2x.
Mitsubishi TD04-18T B5234T4 250hp 1997-1998 straight outlet for manual S/V70R FWD/AWD.
(18T with straight outlet have a 275/60 wastegate.)
Mitsubishi TD04-18T B5234T8 250hp 1999 tilted outlet for automatic V70R AWD (P80).
(18T with tilted outlet have a 300/70 wastegate.)
Mitsubishi TD04-19T B5244T2 265hp 2000 tilted outlet for automatic V70R AWD (P80).
KKK K24 B5254T4 300hp/B5244T5 260hp 2004- for P2x R-line and 2005- P2x T5.
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