Tuscan LS? engine transplant....how much?
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da_murphster said:
Is the price of these being put into your Tuscan anything near comparable to a full rebuild?
Are we talking mega bucks??
Any disadvantages?
I don't think there are any S6 Tuscans that have had a LSx "dropped in". If you can make it fit (big if) then to do the job properly is going to cost more than a rebuild...chassis mods, custom exhaust, potential new gearbox, etc etc.Are we talking mega bucks??
Any disadvantages?
A rather large amount of people are going to are going to say that TVR without a TVR engine is not a TVR, personally I don't give much credence to those people, the attitude seems to me alittle close minded...
A rather larger amount of people are going to say that this topic has been covered to death, and they do have a point - there is a thirty odd page thread in which the argument got quite unpleasant...
Cost is the first killer it will likely be cheaper than the Wilder Speed Six engine rebuild.
SmallBlockChevy is known to fit, it is a decent option it will be the cheaper of the engine swap out options, is it as straight forward when you take into account the accessory systems? I don't know. The afore mentioned 30 page thread has some costings in if you want to know more.
From what I have come across (to me at least) the LS engines are allot more standardised, there are lots of online forums (ls1tech for instance) which have pretty much all the information you could want to know if you have time to research. Additionally a member of this forum stated
If you wanted to off load all the conversion work for someone else to do expect to pay more than £12k if you want everything brand new. However :
Again cost: if you were willing to source an LS1 your self you could probably get one for around $3000 - a good place to check would be with Cleveland pick a part. You would probably need a TKO-500 (or600) + all the gb paraphernalia so $2500 (I don't know if diycerbs t-56 installation would work on the tuscan chassis). Then you would have the strip down of the car (and likely chassi reburb if want to keep the car) and installation of the engine & gb + any additional parts like engine mounts and exhaust at least £5000.
FRom what I have seen of most people if you already have a car ad its still working well then its allot of cost for a performance upgrade. If like me you don't have one of these cars and you have a certain budget then a more or less completely refurbed TVR with an ls engine (Cerbera in my case) for the same money as a nearly new 350z, seems worth it.
A rather larger amount of people are going to say that this topic has been covered to death, and they do have a point - there is a thirty odd page thread in which the argument got quite unpleasant...
Cost is the first killer it will likely be cheaper than the Wilder Speed Six engine rebuild.
SmallBlockChevy is known to fit, it is a decent option it will be the cheaper of the engine swap out options, is it as straight forward when you take into account the accessory systems? I don't know. The afore mentioned 30 page thread has some costings in if you want to know more.
From what I have come across (to me at least) the LS engines are allot more standardised, there are lots of online forums (ls1tech for instance) which have pretty much all the information you could want to know if you have time to research. Additionally a member of this forum stated
If you wanted to off load all the conversion work for someone else to do expect to pay more than £12k if you want everything brand new. However :
jellison said:
Have fully measure Whitey's Tuscan rails are a tad further apart than a Chim / Griff and it fits in that! Tam chassis is the same as a Tuscan as far as the basic spaceframe is concerned.
I could do the lot (for myself for a tad over 20k and have one of the fastest TVR on the rood in the UK - It would destroy virtually everything on the road) cost a lot more if you had to have someone else do it ALL for you though;)
And the LS is know to fit in a Chim...I could do the lot (for myself for a tad over 20k and have one of the fastest TVR on the rood in the UK - It would destroy virtually everything on the road) cost a lot more if you had to have someone else do it ALL for you though;)
Again cost: if you were willing to source an LS1 your self you could probably get one for around $3000 - a good place to check would be with Cleveland pick a part. You would probably need a TKO-500 (or600) + all the gb paraphernalia so $2500 (I don't know if diycerbs t-56 installation would work on the tuscan chassis). Then you would have the strip down of the car (and likely chassi reburb if want to keep the car) and installation of the engine & gb + any additional parts like engine mounts and exhaust at least £5000.
FRom what I have seen of most people if you already have a car ad its still working well then its allot of cost for a performance upgrade. If like me you don't have one of these cars and you have a certain budget then a more or less completely refurbed TVR with an ls engine (Cerbera in my case) for the same money as a nearly new 350z, seems worth it.
I would not do one for less that 18 grand more like 19 though.
This is only 3k more than a Wilder rebuild of an SP6 lump and include all new LS2 / all new TKO and a HUGE list of all new parts - oh and an All new SS full exhaust.
No one will do this, with all new parts - not many crazy people around!!! Only way to do it is to do it yourself (could do for 12 - 13k(if you can't whoever does it has to make a reasonable profit on such a big job). Only people that have done it have done it themselves.
You could cut ALOT of corner and do it for alot less than the above BUT then it would of course be NO Where Near As Good;)
You have a fair few parts to sell. (I cleared well over 4k when I sold all my bits). And LS6 /2 TVR will run with an LP640 in a straight line, for a fration of the cost.
You can add 5k to the above if you want 630+bhp from a Wortech Blown one.............
No one will ever do this of course.
This is only 3k more than a Wilder rebuild of an SP6 lump and include all new LS2 / all new TKO and a HUGE list of all new parts - oh and an All new SS full exhaust.
No one will do this, with all new parts - not many crazy people around!!! Only way to do it is to do it yourself (could do for 12 - 13k(if you can't whoever does it has to make a reasonable profit on such a big job). Only people that have done it have done it themselves.
You could cut ALOT of corner and do it for alot less than the above BUT then it would of course be NO Where Near As Good;)
You have a fair few parts to sell. (I cleared well over 4k when I sold all my bits). And LS6 /2 TVR will run with an LP640 in a straight line, for a fration of the cost.
You can add 5k to the above if you want 630+bhp from a Wortech Blown one.............
No one will ever do this of course.
^ Jons right. I was suggesting figures a good while back of £10-£12k plus the hidden extra's such as exhausts etc which were a bit of an unknown. Plus there is a huge risk with a used engine from the USA so really it would be preferable for the customer to source his own engine if choosing used parts. I realised that a proper top quality conversion won't be cheap and few people have the budget to pay for that so it's more of a diy conversion for some people. I like this engine but there are so many other things that have to be changed to make it work as a package.
Boosted LS1 said:
^ Jons right. I was suggesting figures a good while back of £10-£12k plus the hidden extra's such as exhausts etc which were a bit of an unknown. Plus there is a huge risk with a used engine from the USA so really it would be preferable for the customer to source his own engine if choosing used parts. I realised that a proper top quality conversion won't be cheap and few people have the budget to pay for that so it's more of a diy conversion for some people. I like this engine but there are so many other things that have to be changed to make it work as a package.
Yep people think you can just pop one of these things in over night and job done - these people need to just go away.This is a HUGE exercise. You have to have the cash for a 35k car to even think about this.
But for that 35k you can waste virtually anything on the road (and most hypercars - most punters of these bottle it when pushed anyway!).
Right off in my LS to rag it back to Swindon from Leatherhead - don't put any road blocks up.
Boosted - Silverstone International this weekend the BIG ONE.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... You Coming?
Mark Adams said:
Jellison's absolutely right about costs. He knows what he is talking about and has a beautifully engineered and finished car to prove it.
Now the financial logic is out of the way, the heart may reach a different conclusion....
Indeed - I sell my car it wll be for not much more than the price I'd have to charge someone to do it all (then you have to buy a goo car) and in my case (as Chim but same would apply to a Griff) you woul have to spend about anoythe 3k on Suspension, big brake and bigger front wheels to avoid a VERY fast ride to the grave yard.Now the financial logic is out of the way, the heart may reach a different conclusion....
TTFN
LS7427ci said:
I dont see why your looking to buy S/hand engines? new one's are just as cheap off the shelf with all the bits you want ready to go!!!!
Are you talking crate engines? And by all the bits do mean the ECU/harness and accessories? Then there is the slight problem that the newer crate engines all have electronic throttle bodies, of course you can buy an after market cable throttle body, but it is possible that you can buy a low mile used drop out LS1 and use all the components that will come with it (you would need to get the harness modded and the ECU would need to reflashed) and then you would have a much more complete solution.
jellison said:
You can add 5k to the above if you want 630+bhp from a Wortech Blown one.............
No one will ever do this of course.
Oh yes they would. No one will ever do this of course.
Taken a few weeks ago, its all in bits now ready for shotblasting.
Here's my topic
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
18K miles LS1 engine + T56 all ancillaries £3300 inc taxes etc
Made own exhaust manifolds £300
Made own exhaust £300
Blower.....well more than the engine
Using LS1 alternator, PS pump, wiring and ECU.
Obviously this is just the major stuff, the amount of work involved is tremendous, but half of that is fixing all the TVR problems, eg chassis repair. I'll do the next one in a quarter of the time.
Rich.
Edited by diycerb on Saturday 14th June 21:09
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