Left Foot Braking

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bad company

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19,394 posts

272 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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I read that using the left foot is best in an automatic and I have to say that it is perfectly logical.

I have been trying this but not easy after using the right foot for the past 38 years.

Anybody here have any tips or ideas?

Mike 820

569 posts

193 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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bad company said:
I read that using the left foot is best in an automatic and I have to say that it is perfectly logical.

I have been trying this but not easy after using the right foot for the past 38 years.

Anybody here have any tips or ideas?
Practise makes perfect Im sure you already knew that. I always use my left foot to break on the xbox steering wheel setup. With a sponge behind the brake pedal it allows more accurate braking to be achieved. Over time I got better with the wheel and it made for faster lap times etc. I cant see why the same principals cannot apply to real world driving.

Its all about developing the muscles in your foot so you can control how much pressure you are applying.

bad company

Original Poster:

19,394 posts

272 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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Sure that's right Mike. At the moment I can't seem to stop hitting the brakes too hard and feeling like a learner driver again.

218g

417 posts

165 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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A couple of thoughts:

If you plan to start braking earlier than you think you need to, you'll give yourself more time to think about smoothly applying and releasing the brakes with your left foot.

You might want to practise on the open road, rather than, say, a busy built-up area where you might need to react quickly to changing hazards. In a situation like that, your left foot might react instinctively in the way it's used to on a clutch pedal before your conscious mind can stop it. Make a deliberate decision to switch between left-foot and right-foot braking modes. When you're right-foot braking, put your left foot somewhere else - on the floor, or a footrest if you have one - and leave it there until you're ready to switch back to left-foot braking mode for a bit.

HTH

waremark

3,250 posts

219 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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Do you think there is any danger that you will confuse yourself and not brake as well as you could in an emergency?

Gnits

938 posts

207 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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Imagine you are in a go cart or something like that which is where the brake is normally and as already said try it in an area where you won't need to apply in anger for any reason.
Also try change gear, accelerate, brake, change down, etc. on an empty road to practice using that foot for different things in a short space of time.
...and if you are trying this for the first time, get ready to smash your head on your windscreen!

RobM77

35,349 posts

240 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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waremark said:
Do you think there is any danger that you will confuse yourself and not brake as well as you could in an emergency?
yes A very relevant point. I'd suggest this is something to keep off the road, or at least on an empty road, until entirely proficient to the degree where it's instinctive.

The Black Flash

13,735 posts

204 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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What I've never understood though is, if you do go-carting, you can left-foot brake with no problems, and be able to threshold brake quite effectively after a couple of laps. But in a car? Nah.

RobM77

35,349 posts

240 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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The Black Flash said:
What I've never understood though is, if you do go-carting, you can left-foot brake with no problems, and be able to threshold brake quite effectively after a couple of laps. But in a car? Nah.
It's the sharpness of the brakes I think. Even without a servo, car brakes are very responsive and powerful, whereas go kart brakes (at least on most hire karts) are very mushy, weak and unresponsive, so all the clumsiness of a clutch foot is soaked up. LFB is much easier in a car without a servo on the brakes (such as my Elise), but even those brakes are far more responsive and sensitive than [hire] go kart brakes.

fastcaterham

420 posts

200 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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Hire karts yes. Race karts no;). I've raced karts for years and so long as their set up properly proper kart brakes are generally awesome! I found left foot braking quite easy to pick up in cars as a result of this.

RobM77

35,349 posts

240 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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fastcaterham said:
Hire karts yes. Race karts no;). I've raced karts for years and so long as their set up properly proper kart brakes are generally awesome! I found left foot braking quite easy to pick up in cars as a result of this.
Yes, as I stated very clearly above. confused

Tiggsy

10,261 posts

258 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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Why would you bother? It's not how you'd drive a manual so why have a different approach? All it will do is go pearshaped when you have an emergency and you dont know what pedal is what!

RobM77

35,349 posts

240 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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Tiggsy said:
Why would you bother? It's not how you'd drive a manual so why have a different approach? All it will do is go pearshaped when you have an emergency and you dont know what pedal is what!
I would have thought that the different approach is to increase safety by lowering the time it takes to go from throttle to brake. That's not me saying that's significant or a good idea, but that's probably the reason. I LFB when racing to save time in this manner, and it does give a measurable advantage. As for whether it's worth it on the road, I wouldn't like to comment.

Tiggsy

10,261 posts

258 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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RobM77 said:
would have thought that the different approach is to increase safety by lowering the time it takes to go from throttle to brake. That's not me saying that's significant or a good idea, but that's probably the reason. I LFB when racing to save time in this manner, and it does give a measurable advantage. As for whether it's worth it on the road, I wouldn't like to comment.
On a track i understand - but on a road where much of the time you arent driving at the limit (if ever!) I'd like to have a default reaction to needing to stop quick that relied on the same foot, irrespective of the type of car i was in.

davepoth

29,395 posts

205 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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RobM77 said:
would have thought that the different approach is to increase safety by lowering the time it takes to go from throttle to brake. That's not me saying that's significant or a good idea, but that's probably the reason. I LFB when racing to save time in this manner, and it does give a measurable advantage. As for whether it's worth it on the road, I wouldn't like to comment.
I'd say LFB probably has a lot less application on the road. If you have to worry about the amount of time you are on trailing throttle while commuting, you are probably going too fast.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

251 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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It can be handy for close quarters manoeuvring, especially on slopes, but that's exactly the situation where you're likely to mess it up and get into trouble.

RobM77

35,349 posts

240 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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Tiggsy said:
RobM77 said:
would have thought that the different approach is to increase safety by lowering the time it takes to go from throttle to brake. That's not me saying that's significant or a good idea, but that's probably the reason. I LFB when racing to save time in this manner, and it does give a measurable advantage. As for whether it's worth it on the road, I wouldn't like to comment.
On a track i understand - but on a road where much of the time you arent driving at the limit (if ever!) I'd like to have a default reaction to needing to stop quick that relied on the same foot, irrespective of the type of car i was in.
I was referring to an emergency stop. I disagree though to be honest and I don't think it's necessary. I was trying to answer an unanswered question though smile

slipstream 1985

12,741 posts

185 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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i find it much smoother changing from on the throttle to braking if im able to left foot brake and almost blend form one to the other.

Great Pretender

26,140 posts

220 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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Been doing this since I got the CSL six months ago. Second nature now.

waremark

3,250 posts

219 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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Great Pretender said:
Been doing this since I got the CSL six months ago. Second nature now.
Doesn't the CSL have a small brake pedal which is awkward to use with the left foot? The DCT M3 does - I quite like using lfb, but don't in the BMW because of the pedal layout. I conclude that BMW engineers don't use lfb; otherwise they would give smg/dct cars an automatic style wide brake pedal.

Most sensible reasons for on road lfb have been mentioned above - quicker in an emergency, smooth transition from brake to throttle, and manoeuvering in an auto. But if you want to see some more advanced and track oriented uses look at an Andy Walsh DVD sold on the Car Limits website called Bending the Rules (I have no connection with him other than I bought the video and liked it).