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As I was driving to work today there was a 2 mile straight with no on coming traffic or danger of any cars on the oppsite side from turning in from a junction. There was a long stretch of cars doing 40/45 mph (it was national speed limit). I overtook 5 cars but wasn't comfortable overtaking the last of the line of cars so indicated to pull in. The guy in the car where I wanted to pull in accelerated to close the gap which was as it was too small for my car. Then when I had to pull in he was up my arse and flashing like crazy. My point is why did he not leave a proper gap if he had decided not to overtake the car in front when he had the opportunity to do so (forget about the accelerating and flashing for a minute). Was I wrong? Is it because I was driving a Tuscan or is it something to do with the West Country attitude to overtaking (new to the area) .. its happened a few times recently.
If he accelerated then there was likely a big enough gap for you to slot into without causing him to brake.
What you did wrong was to think whilst driving but even worse was to plan and execute what sounds like a simple overtake manouvre.
I'm assuming here that you didn't brake heavily yourself to slot back into the gap?
What you did wrong was to think whilst driving but even worse was to plan and execute what sounds like a simple overtake manouvre.
I'm assuming here that you didn't brake heavily yourself to slot back into the gap?
Difficult to say without being there, if you came cruising past with a low speed differential and slotted into a nice big gap without braking or cutting in then yes, he was being a tit.
On the other hand, if you went screaming past bouncing off the rev limiter, yee-hawing and machine gunning puppies as you went, then realised you'd over cooked it and threw out the anchor, skidding sideways in to a gap that wasn't really there then yes, he was being a tit, but you deserved it.
On the other hand, if you went screaming past bouncing off the rev limiter, yee-hawing and machine gunning puppies as you went, then realised you'd over cooked it and threw out the anchor, skidding sideways in to a gap that wasn't really there then yes, he was being a tit, but you deserved it.
Distant said:
Difficult to say without being there, if you came cruising past with a low speed differential and slotted into a nice big gap without braking or cutting in then yes, he was being a tit.
On the other hand, if you went screaming past bouncing off the rev limiter, yee-hawing and machine gunning puppies as you went, then realised you'd over cooked it and threw out the anchor, skidding sideways in to a gap that wasn't really there then yes, he was being a tit, but you deserved it.
This made me laugh.On the other hand, if you went screaming past bouncing off the rev limiter, yee-hawing and machine gunning puppies as you went, then realised you'd over cooked it and threw out the anchor, skidding sideways in to a gap that wasn't really there then yes, he was being a tit, but you deserved it.
Yes I was screaming past and yes I had to brake but not heavily, I indicated to move back in and he responded by closing the already small gap. My feeling is that if you don't want to overtake the car in front when you are able to then you leave a good gap for other cars to pull in if they need to.
When looking to do multiple overtakes you should have a gap in mind to return to, before committing to the overtake. It's always nice if you can use acceleration sense to avoid braking to fit in to the gap, to avoid pissing the guy behind off. If you can't slot into the gap without braking then it's too small or you're going too fast, or both and you need to find a gap before, or wait until there's enough time to continue past that gap into the next one.
You stated that the gap wasn't very big, so I'd say that yes, you were wrong and should have continued past, or chosen an earlier gap to 'land' in. Other guy was still a tit though
You stated that the gap wasn't very big, so I'd say that yes, you were wrong and should have continued past, or chosen an earlier gap to 'land' in. Other guy was still a tit though
I hope you weren't exceeding the NSL whilst screaming past
I know from very recent experience that this results in a tax bill and 3 points when once of those nasty unmarked police cars as hiding behind the bushes
Actually I had an over takee accelerate on me the other day, it is very disturbing and quite shocking that drivers can put you in this position. But you should always make sure that the gap you want to pull into is big enough for you without standing on the brakes.
I know from very recent experience that this results in a tax bill and 3 points when once of those nasty unmarked police cars as hiding behind the bushes
Actually I had an over takee accelerate on me the other day, it is very disturbing and quite shocking that drivers can put you in this position. But you should always make sure that the gap you want to pull into is big enough for you without standing on the brakes.
Edited by supersport on Tuesday 18th May 12:33
I think you're all over complicating it..
We all know how capable our cars are and I'm suer this was a pretty simple and actually safe way of making progress BUT..
the fact is, people, for whatever reason, jealousy, natural competitiveness, (there are more reasons) dont like being overtaken by some in their eyes "idiot" in a flash car. that's it.
We all know, in the right circs its not a problem. Others don't.
We all know how capable our cars are and I'm suer this was a pretty simple and actually safe way of making progress BUT..
the fact is, people, for whatever reason, jealousy, natural competitiveness, (there are more reasons) dont like being overtaken by some in their eyes "idiot" in a flash car. that's it.
We all know, in the right circs its not a problem. Others don't.
I rarely do multiple overtakes as TBO I really can't be arsed.
But when I do, I'll only commit to a complete queue overtake because if you plan to move back mid overtake, you are handing control of the situation to a 3rd party.
In this case the third party would have quite happily see you have a head on with another car rather than yield his position to you.
Its a sad fact of life as Craig says, but you have to allow for it when planning.
But when I do, I'll only commit to a complete queue overtake because if you plan to move back mid overtake, you are handing control of the situation to a 3rd party.
In this case the third party would have quite happily see you have a head on with another car rather than yield his position to you.
Its a sad fact of life as Craig says, but you have to allow for it when planning.
On the public highway I have always adopted the attitude that if my actions cause others to have to react or take evasive action due to me, then I am in the wrong and I always try to think about that before I make any manouvre.
That said the other driver was acting a c0ck and it was potentially "reckless endangerment".
That said the other driver was acting a c0ck and it was potentially "reckless endangerment".
Bluebottle said:
if my actions cause others to have to react or take evasive action due to me, then I am in the wrong
Noble. But there are an awful lot of people who don't need or have to take any action, but they do so anyway, on purpose, because they like to get all indignant. In the OP's case, closing the gap that an overtaker has planned to use to merge back in, for no other reason than pure malice.Balmoral Green said:
Bluebottle said:
if my actions cause others to have to react or take evasive action due to me, then I am in the wrong
Noble. But there are an awful lot of people who don't need or have to take any action, but they do so anyway, on purpose, because they like to get all indignant. In the OP's case, closing the gap that an overtaker has planned to use to merge back in, for no other reason than pure malice.
king stand people who 'close up' gaps. they're basically saying 'You just overtook me, so i want you to die!' I mean WTF is wrong with these people!!Balmoral Green said:
crisisjez said:
how much do we hate queue jumpers here in Britain
And therein lies the problem. Overtaking is not queue jumping, but it is perceived to be so by many motorists. Passing a few cars out on the open road is not like going to the front at the Post Office counter Distant said:
If you can't slot into the gap without braking then it's too small or you're going too fast, or both
I'm not sure I'd agree and I'd think it prudent to use the brakes to ensure you're able to pull into the gap at the earliest opportunity. If it results in the car behind having to brake to maintain a safe distance, then yes, it's too small a gap.Jonny TVR said:
Distant said:
Difficult to say without being there, if you came cruising past with a low speed differential and slotted into a nice big gap without braking or cutting in then yes, he was being a tit.
On the other hand, if you went screaming past bouncing off the rev limiter, yee-hawing and machine gunning puppies as you went, then realised you'd over cooked it and threw out the anchor, skidding sideways in to a gap that wasn't really there then yes, he was being a tit, but you deserved it.
This made me laugh.On the other hand, if you went screaming past bouncing off the rev limiter, yee-hawing and machine gunning puppies as you went, then realised you'd over cooked it and threw out the anchor, skidding sideways in to a gap that wasn't really there then yes, he was being a tit, but you deserved it.
Yes I was screaming past and yes I had to brake but not heavily, I indicated to move back in and he responded by closing the already small gap. My feeling is that if you don't want to overtake the car in front when you are able to then you leave a good gap for other cars to pull in if they need to.
If a sociable gap was there which you planned to use, but he closed that gap on you intentionally/unreasonably, then he'd be looking at a potential Sec 3 etc.
If no sociable gap, you launch & have to force your way in because you can't make it all the way, then you'd be looking at a potential Sec 3 etc.
(IMHO)
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