What do you think of this speed limit ?
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This road has featured in the local rag here, this "village ish area", in particular.
Originally, it was largely nsl (like a lot of roads), and due to local whinging its been restricted.
According to the press, there have been no ksi's here ........ at all.
After the limit was reduced, most people ignored it, the locals, through their parish council, asked the police to "take action", the police refused, saying there were no issues, and the police had objected to the limit reduction.
The locals persisted, and the scamera b
ds were only too pleased to assist them.
Please excuse the salt spots on my windscreen, it was so cold this morning, I didn't want to use the washers (you#ll also see some standing frozen water ...... lovely!)
This road used to be very good for practising limit points, training runs etc, but is now largely useless for that sort of stuff.
So, what do you lot think ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18nU0MhXseg
Originally, it was largely nsl (like a lot of roads), and due to local whinging its been restricted.
According to the press, there have been no ksi's here ........ at all.
After the limit was reduced, most people ignored it, the locals, through their parish council, asked the police to "take action", the police refused, saying there were no issues, and the police had objected to the limit reduction.
The locals persisted, and the scamera b
ds were only too pleased to assist them.Please excuse the salt spots on my windscreen, it was so cold this morning, I didn't want to use the washers (you#ll also see some standing frozen water ...... lovely!)
This road used to be very good for practising limit points, training runs etc, but is now largely useless for that sort of stuff.
So, what do you lot think ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18nU0MhXseg
Limit points, what are they?
No, the speed limit is all that counts, those wiser than us can decide that.
The DSA sets the standard for drivers, all who meet that are considered capable.
Oh, apart from some Government employees who require extra training to undertake their occupations.
Then, also, a few "civilians" who attempt to raise their ability.
You cannot fight the now prevalent orthodoxy.
"Speed", the only consideration.
The man with the red flag will reappear.
New technology, will limit your speed, in all circumstances.
Enjoy.
No, the speed limit is all that counts, those wiser than us can decide that.
The DSA sets the standard for drivers, all who meet that are considered capable.
Oh, apart from some Government employees who require extra training to undertake their occupations.
Then, also, a few "civilians" who attempt to raise their ability.
You cannot fight the now prevalent orthodoxy.
"Speed", the only consideration.
The man with the red flag will reappear.
New technology, will limit your speed, in all circumstances.
Enjoy.
Edited by WhoseGeneration on Saturday 19th December 00:28
Nigel Worc's said:
I'd have slowed and not crossed the white line with an on-coming vehicle approaching/pedestrian in the road at the beginning of the film! 
I drove that bit of road a couple of times this summer. Whilst I felt 30mph was appropriate where the housing is at its most concetrated I felt that the 30mph extended too far either side of the village. Mind you I drove the road on a sunday both times and there was much less traffic.
The rest of the road is really rather nice to drive when its not busy
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The rest of the road is really rather nice to drive when its not busy
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Edited by blueg33 on Saturday 19th December 09:59
Edited by blueg33 on Saturday 19th December 18:11
dom180 said:
Nigel Worc's said:
I'd have slowed and not crossed the white line with an on-coming vehicle approaching/pedestrian in the road at the beginning of the film! 
I hate the double white line system.Best wishes all,
Dave.
There seem to be bus stops and things like that along some sections. I can only assume that pedestrians use the road, but with no pavement it would be dodgy if higher than 30. There are entrances and minor junctions, so there will be vehicles joining and leaving. It looks like a road that could in places be anything between 30 and NSL. Problem is you don't want a limit that changes very often as otherwise it would be a good candidate for scameras ready to catch you failing to slow for dropping limits. st surface in places really adds to the issue. There are roads like this near where I live, and there are a mixture of limits. A blanket 30 is just a lazy way to solve any perceived issues.
t surface in places really adds to the issue. There are roads like this near where I live, and there are a mixture of limits. A blanket 30 is just a lazy way to solve any perceived issues.p1esk said:
dom180 said:
Nigel Worc's said:
I'd have slowed and not crossed the white line with an on-coming vehicle approaching/pedestrian in the road at the beginning of the film! I hate the double white line system.Best wishes all,
Dave.
Good on the local community acting before an accident occurred.
Ah ha! The road to Shelsley Walsh, i know it well.
Well every local community could do that, get a road limited where there has been no accidents, on the grounds that there 'could be', and get every road limited to 30. And if there is a shunt it'll be 20 next.
Interesting with the scamera van. Parking is illegal on solid whites. No doubt he would justify his actions by saying he's oof road, even though the drivers door opens into the road itself. Thus there would be part of the vehicle within the confines of the road.
But i cannot see how that van is able to be parked there under any auspices of elf'n safety whilst at work legislation, it is clearly dangerous to all concerned.
dom180 said:
Good on the local community acting before an accident occurred.
Well every local community could do that, get a road limited where there has been no accidents, on the grounds that there 'could be', and get every road limited to 30. And if there is a shunt it'll be 20 next.Interesting with the scamera van. Parking is illegal on solid whites. No doubt he would justify his actions by saying he's oof road, even though the drivers door opens into the road itself. Thus there would be part of the vehicle within the confines of the road.
But i cannot see how that van is able to be parked there under any auspices of elf'n safety whilst at work legislation, it is clearly dangerous to all concerned.
dom180 said:
p1esk said:
dom180 said:
Nigel Worc's said:
I'd have slowed and not crossed the white line with an on-coming vehicle approaching/pedestrian in the road at the beginning of the film! I hate the double white line system.Best wishes all,
Dave.
Good on the local community acting before an accident occurred.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
dom180 said:
I'd have slowed and not crossed the white line with an on-coming vehicle approaching/pedestrian in the road at the beginning of the film!
I'd sounded my horn to warn him of my approach, he hadn't reacted, had it been a child or old person I may have shown more sympathy, but you can see what he does for a living, see where he chose to park, and see where he chose to walk, he wants to get in the way of 1.5 tons of bavarian steel at 44 feet per second ...... his choice !P1esk, thats the road you drove with me "observing you" !
As for the speed limit, your reactions are why I think its good to ask for opinions, I've known and driven that road (all of it) before the speed limit for villages and anywhere that wants them crap, and I now find that stretch quite frustrating (obviously not so much when that cold).
I'm not quite in the "act just in case something happens one day" camp, rather obviously, but I find that whole road so frustrating now, when travelling from Worcester to Churchstoke, as I was that day, I sometimes even go M5,6, & 54 !
p1esk said:
dom180 said:
p1esk said:
dom180 said:
Nigel Worc's said:
I'd have slowed and not crossed the white line with an on-coming vehicle approaching/pedestrian in the road at the beginning of the film! I hate the double white line system.Best wishes all,
Dave.
Good on the local community acting before an accident occurred.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Most 30 limits mean 35-40 to most people, at least going by this afternoon along the A32.
Nigel Worc's said:
dom180 said:
I'd have slowed and not crossed the white line with an on-coming vehicle approaching/pedestrian in the road at the beginning of the film!
I'd sounded my horn to warn him of my approach, he hadn't reacted, had it been a child or old person I may have shown more sympathy, but you can see what he does for a living, see where he chose to park, and see where he chose to walk, he wants to get in the way of 1.5 tons of bavarian steel at 44 feet per second ...... his choice !P1esk, thats the road you drove with me "observing you" !
As for the speed limit, your reactions are why I think its good to ask for opinions, I've known and driven that road (all of it) before the speed limit for villages and anywhere that wants them crap, and I now find that stretch quite frustrating (obviously not so much when that cold).
I'm not quite in the "act just in case something happens one day" camp, rather obviously, but I find that whole road so frustrating now, when travelling from Worcester to Churchstoke, as I was that day, I sometimes even go M5,6, & 54 !
dom180 said:
Poor bloke might have been deaf!
Sir, you mistake me for someone who cares about scamera partnership employees, he's supposed to be the road safety expert, he chose to walk there.I welcome your comments regarding my driving on any videos I post (although that wasn't the idea with this one), but I'm not your "pipe & slippers" type of IAM s.Obs
dom180 said:
Nigel Worc's said:
dom180 said:
I'd have slowed and not crossed the white line with an on-coming vehicle approaching/pedestrian in the road at the beginning of the film!
I'd sounded my horn to warn him of my approach, he hadn't reacted, had it been a child or old person I may have shown more sympathy, but you can see what he does for a living, see where he chose to park, and see where he chose to walk, he wants to get in the way of 1.5 tons of bavarian steel at 44 feet per second ...... his choice !P1esk, thats the road you drove with me "observing you" !
As for the speed limit, your reactions are why I think its good to ask for opinions, I've known and driven that road (all of it) before the speed limit for villages and anywhere that wants them crap, and I now find that stretch quite frustrating (obviously not so much when that cold).
I'm not quite in the "act just in case something happens one day" camp, rather obviously, but I find that whole road so frustrating now, when travelling from Worcester to Churchstoke, as I was that day, I sometimes even go M5,6, & 54 !
A deaf man would never be so stupid as to have put himself in danger like that.
flemke said:
dom180 said:
Nigel Worc's said:
dom180 said:
I'd have slowed and not crossed the white line with an on-coming vehicle approaching/pedestrian in the road at the beginning of the film!
I'd sounded my horn to warn him of my approach, he hadn't reacted, had it been a child or old person I may have shown more sympathy, but you can see what he does for a living, see where he chose to park, and see where he chose to walk, he wants to get in the way of 1.5 tons of bavarian steel at 44 feet per second ...... his choice !P1esk, thats the road you drove with me "observing you" !
As for the speed limit, your reactions are why I think its good to ask for opinions, I've known and driven that road (all of it) before the speed limit for villages and anywhere that wants them crap, and I now find that stretch quite frustrating (obviously not so much when that cold).
I'm not quite in the "act just in case something happens one day" camp, rather obviously, but I find that whole road so frustrating now, when travelling from Worcester to Churchstoke, as I was that day, I sometimes even go M5,6, & 54 !
A deaf man would never be so stupid as to have put himself in danger like that.
To the OP, cheers for taking my comment in the constructive manner in which it was meant - one day I'll post one of mine up and you'll be welcome to comment on that!
Nigel Worc's said:
P1esk, thats the road you drove with me "observing you" !
Oh, is it? Sorry, Nigel, but that must have been two or three years ago and I'm not good at remembering roads at the best of times. I don't think it matters too much though if we're supposed to drive them according to what we see on the day. Anyhow, IIRC we didn't have many crashes that day, so that's a start. 
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Firstly, you missed a great opportunity to run over the "safety" camera operator 
, who cunningly placed his van at the safest point of the 30 limit, rather than the most dangerous. Purely there to make money 
My thoughts:
I think the 30 should start at 1:00.
Much of the 40 limit two thirds in should really be NSL imho
In summary, after a quick view of the video I think I'd change the 30s to 40s and the 40s to NSLs.
, who cunningly placed his van at the safest point of the 30 limit, rather than the most dangerous. Purely there to make money My thoughts:
I think the 30 should start at 1:00.
Much of the 40 limit two thirds in should really be NSL imho
In summary, after a quick view of the video I think I'd change the 30s to 40s and the 40s to NSLs.
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