ADI Part 2 help needed (Caution! BGOL content)

[Distant]

I'm in the process of training to become an ADI, I've done the theory/hazard perception test and have my part 2 booked for a few weeks. Only problem is, I'm unsure if BGOL is permitted on this test. Does anyone know?

I've a family member who is helping me as he's recently left the DSA, but he only knows L tests, and the book that I've got is unclear, so any help would be appreciated.

[waremark]

Surely you only get marked down for the same errors for which a learner on a DSA test would be marked down. Thus BGOL would not be treated as a driving fault. (But I am giving this opinion without being professionally qualified to do so - so no doubt you will get a more authorative view shortly).

[onboard]

Hi,

You would not get marked down for brake/gear overlap but it is good practice to avoid it.

If you are in the habit of brake/gear overlap then I would suggest your speed of approach may be a little on the fast side at times and if it is a little on the fast side at times, then the gear change itself may be a little late and then you may find yourself coasting in situations where it would be marked as a fault.

Think about: Information (Mirrors Signal) Position Speed Gear & (Look Assess Decide & Act)

By all means if you have any other questions just ask.

[BenElliottRacing]

I was changing gear whilst braking and even at one point heel + toe'd a block downchange. I got 1 minor (for preparing to exit motorway too early - progress / hesitancy) so there shouldn't be any issue there.

Part two was a piece of cake. If only part 3 was so easy!!!

[Distant]

Excellent, thanks for the help guys, I'm quietly confident about part 2, bricking it about part 3 though!

[vonhosen]

The part 3 is no different to anything else.
Know what they are looking for & then give it to them.
(Just like the part 2).

[waremark]

vonhosen said:

The part 3 is no different to anything else.
Know what they are looking for & then give it to them.
(Just like the part 2).

Did you get Part 3 first time, VH?

I have known police advanced instructors who have had problems with Part 3.

[vonhosen]

waremark said:

vonhosen said:

The part 3 is no different to anything else.
Know what they are looking for & then give it to them.
(Just like the part 2).

Did you get Part 3 first time, VH?

I have known police advanced instructors who have had problems with Part 3.

I did & most I know did also (a few got it second time though). As I say you've got to know what the DSA are looking for & then give them that (which may be different to how you'd normally do things). Advanced instructors need to guard against assuming prior knowledge, which they are used to their usual clients having far more of.

Without good quality help the part 3 won't be easy (like anything else), but where you have somebody who has a good knowledge of exactly what the DSA are looking for & what the common pitfalls are (to advise you) that transition can be a lot smoother.

Edited by vonhosen on Friday 13th November 17:29

[p1esk]

vonhosen said:

waremark said:

vonhosen said:

The part 3 is no different to anything else.
Know what they are looking for & then give it to them.
(Just like the part 2).

Did you get Part 3 first time, VH?

I have known police advanced instructors who have had problems with Part 3.

I did & most I know did also (a few got it second time though). As I say you've got to know what the DSA are looking for & then give them that (which may be different to how you'd normally do things). Advanced instructors need to guard against assuming prior knowledge, which they are used to their usual clients having far more of.

Without good quality help the part 3 won't be easy (like anything else), but where you have somebody who has a good knowledge of exactly what the DSA are looking for & what the common pitfalls are (to advise you) that transition can be a lot smoother.

Edited by vonhosen on Friday 13th November 17:29

[Reggie Perrin mode] "He would, he....bloody....would!" [/Reggie Perrin mode]

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[WhoseGeneration]

p1esk said:

[Reggie Perrin mode] "He would, he....bloody....would!" [/Reggie Perrin mode]
Best wishes all,
Dave.

Well, some just "have it".
The modern world, ticking those boxes.

[Distant]

vonhosen said:

waremark said:

vonhosen said:

The part 3 is no different to anything else.
Know what they are looking for & then give it to them.
(Just like the part 2).

Did you get Part 3 first time, VH?

I have known police advanced instructors who have had problems with Part 3.

I did & most I know did also (a few got it second time though). As I say you've got to know what the DSA are looking for & then give them that (which may be different to how you'd normally do things). Advanced instructors need to guard against assuming prior knowledge, which they are used to their usual clients having far more of.

Without good quality help the part 3 won't be easy (like anything else), but where you have somebody who has a good knowledge of exactly what the DSA are looking for & what the common pitfalls are (to advise you) that transition can be a lot smoother.

Edited by vonhosen on Friday 13th November 17:29

I'm definitely going to be seeking professional tuition for the part 3 as I've never done any form of tuition before. Just focusing on getting through the part 2 first, I'm looking forward to it

[vonhosen]

Distant said:

I'm definitely going to be seeking professional tuition for the part 3 as I've never done any form of tuition before.

Research & choose wisely.

[CivicMan]

If you need any help or tips, try www.ukdic.co.uk which is one of the main ADI forums. Lots of stuff there and someone may be able to point you in the direction of a good trainer for your Part 3.

With the endless ads for people wishing to become driving instructors, it should be pointed out that there is huge money in traing potential ADIs. What they fail to mention is that only about 20% of those who get to Part 3 actually make the grade, even after 3 attempts.

Parts 1 and 2 are very straightforward. Part 3 is a different kettle of fish, and in an ideal world you need practical experience of teaching real live pupils. Some people take the Part 3 never having even sat next to a learner which is kind of bizarre.

[vonhosen]

CivicMan said:

Some people take the Part 3 never having even sat next to a learner which is kind of bizarre.

Some people need to be on the register, but don't actually teach learners.

[Distant]

Thanks Von, I will.

And Civicman, thanks for the link, looks like a very useful site.

[CivicMan]

vonhosen said:

CivicMan said:

Some people take the Part 3 never having even sat next to a learner which is kind of bizarre.

Some people need to be on the register, but don't actually teach learners.

A bizarre situation as the Part 3 exam is wholly based around an SEADI acting out in Phase 1 to be an untrained learner, and in the Phase 2 to be partly trained.

[vonhosen]

CivicMan said:

vonhosen said:

CivicMan said:

Some people take the Part 3 never having even sat next to a learner which is kind of bizarre.

Some people need to be on the register, but don't actually teach learners.

A bizarre situation as the Part 3 exam is wholly based around an SEADI acting out in Phase 1 to be an untrained learner, and in the Phase 2 to be partly trained.

It's necessity rather than bizarre. If you want to earn a living instructing people who already hold a full licence (where you have no intention of ever instructing a provisional licence holder) you have to go through that hoop still. Your check tests after that don't have to be with provisional licence holders.

[p1esk]

CivicMan said:

If you need any help or tips, try www.ukdic.co.uk which is one of the main ADI forums. Lots of stuff there and someone may be able to point you in the direction of a good trainer for your Part 3.

With the endless ads for people wishing to become driving instructors, it should be pointed out that there is huge money in traing potential ADIs. What they fail to mention is that only about 20% of those who get to Part 3 actually make the grade, even after 3 attempts.

They also (unsurprisingly) fail to mention that working as a driving instructor teaching new drivers is a pretty uncertain way of securing a good income. I expect there could be more money to be made in providing advanced driver training, but the market there is much smaller.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

Edited by p1esk on Monday 16th November 12:49

[CivicMan]

vonhosen said:

CivicMan said:

vonhosen said:

CivicMan said:

Some people take the Part 3 never having even sat next to a learner which is kind of bizarre.

Some people need to be on the register, but don't actually teach learners.

A bizarre situation as the Part 3 exam is wholly based around an SEADI acting out in Phase 1 to be an untrained learner, and in the Phase 2 to be partly trained.

It's necessity rather than bizarre. If you want to earn a living instructing people who already hold a full licence (where you have no intention of ever instructing a provisional licence holder) you have to go through that hoop still. Your check tests after that don't have to be with provisional licence holders.

As I said bizarre - if one intends to go down that route, the the DSA, in my opinion, should have a Part 3 tailored to that particular area. Doing a Phase 1 controls lesson to an SE is a strange way of assessing your ability to be a Fleet trainer etc. Necessary maybe, but still bizarre.

[vonhosen]

CivicMan said:

vonhosen said:

CivicMan said:

vonhosen said:

CivicMan said:

Some people take the Part 3 never having even sat next to a learner which is kind of bizarre.

Some people need to be on the register, but don't actually teach learners.

A bizarre situation as the Part 3 exam is wholly based around an SEADI acting out in Phase 1 to be an untrained learner, and in the Phase 2 to be partly trained.

It's necessity rather than bizarre. If you want to earn a living instructing people who already hold a full licence (where you have no intention of ever instructing a provisional licence holder) you have to go through that hoop still. Your check tests after that don't have to be with provisional licence holders.

As I said bizarre - if one intends to go down that route, the the DSA, in my opinion, should have a Part 3 tailored to that particular area. Doing a Phase 1 controls lesson to an SE is a strange way of assessing your ability to be a Fleet trainer etc. Necessary maybe, but still bizarre.

It's not the fault of the people doing it though, they've just got to go that path in order to be able to make a living lawfully. If with that in mind they can pass part 3 without having sat next to any real life provisional licence holders why would/should they bother doing so ?

Edited by vonhosen on Monday 16th November 17:06