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Hello all.
I bought a cheap in car cam which was in a link on sp&l.
I put some of the footage I'd taken with it there, and to be honest, I was very dissapointed with how it showed my driving, my lane control seemed very poor, very beemer !
If you have the time to be bored to death, please give me your feedback, warts and all, on any of these.
I'm supposed to be a senior observer for the IAM, I preach it and teach it, so I ought to be able to bloody do it !
In the clips I am driving normally, as in I answered my phone hands free , had the odd ciggy etc ( as I normally do, despite what the "holier than thou" brigade I represent usually say about such activites !
Many thanks in advance, and I realise that you have a very restricted viewing angle from the cam :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdwrwAkygqY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCnVy0y-Tis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubq_2jinoS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y0Z_QJldjY
I bought a cheap in car cam which was in a link on sp&l.
I put some of the footage I'd taken with it there, and to be honest, I was very dissapointed with how it showed my driving, my lane control seemed very poor, very beemer !
If you have the time to be bored to death, please give me your feedback, warts and all, on any of these.
I'm supposed to be a senior observer for the IAM, I preach it and teach it, so I ought to be able to bloody do it !
In the clips I am driving normally, as in I answered my phone hands free , had the odd ciggy etc ( as I normally do, despite what the "holier than thou" brigade I represent usually say about such activites !
Many thanks in advance, and I realise that you have a very restricted viewing angle from the cam :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdwrwAkygqY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCnVy0y-Tis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubq_2jinoS8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y0Z_QJldjY
Hi,
How sad am I at this time of the morning to watch them, before heading to bed?
Would have been good to have sound to get some commentary on the clips.
1st clip apart from a little close to some parked cars rest of time in garage forecourt and not worth watching (unless there was a problem with clip loading)
2nd & 3rd clips - not sure on what you mean by lane discipline but i did pick up that while on the whole it appeared to be a progressive drive there were too many times you were a bit close to cars in front and appeared to be led by the preceeding drivers decision to change lanes, either in or out, when i would expect you to be looking further ahead than that driver and taking your position earlier than he was and if need be allowing him to come into the space you had created while maintaining safe positioning - almost creating the space for the other driver before he has thought about it.
Also came in from lane 2 or 3 at times only to have to go back out quite soon, when I would have stayed out to continue with the overtake.
Clip 4 wouldn't play.
Good to post the clips of your driving and means you are actively thinking about it, which must be a good thing.
How sad am I at this time of the morning to watch them, before heading to bed?
Would have been good to have sound to get some commentary on the clips.
1st clip apart from a little close to some parked cars rest of time in garage forecourt and not worth watching (unless there was a problem with clip loading)
2nd & 3rd clips - not sure on what you mean by lane discipline but i did pick up that while on the whole it appeared to be a progressive drive there were too many times you were a bit close to cars in front and appeared to be led by the preceeding drivers decision to change lanes, either in or out, when i would expect you to be looking further ahead than that driver and taking your position earlier than he was and if need be allowing him to come into the space you had created while maintaining safe positioning - almost creating the space for the other driver before he has thought about it.
Also came in from lane 2 or 3 at times only to have to go back out quite soon, when I would have stayed out to continue with the overtake.
Clip 4 wouldn't play.
Good to post the clips of your driving and means you are actively thinking about it, which must be a good thing.
What was going on with that truck at the start of clip one? he seemed to be turning right, and you didn't slow down but actually drove around the back of him. If I was a DSA examiner on a test I'd have that down as a major fault. Then a bit later on in the same clip you pass a stationary car on the left and probably cause the guy in the silver car approaching to at least think about moving over. Again I'd at least have that down as a minor. Your judgement when confronted with hazards seems a bit off to me in that clip. Sorry if this seems like a bit of a rant, it isn't meant to be. Well that's my 2p anyway 
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At least you seem to be driving in the left hand lane unless overtaking, which is more than can be said for the numpties in lanes 2 and 3 in the motorway clips. The less said about the 2 clowns who didn't give way to you on the roundabouts in clip 2 the better. Let's say I regularly see a lot worse driving than you've demonstrated there anyway.
.At least you seem to be driving in the left hand lane unless overtaking, which is more than can be said for the numpties in lanes 2 and 3 in the motorway clips. The less said about the 2 clowns who didn't give way to you on the roundabouts in clip 2 the better. Let's say I regularly see a lot worse driving than you've demonstrated there anyway.
Edited by Syndrome on Tuesday 3rd November 02:30
onboard said:
Hi,
How sad am I at this time of the morning to watch them, before heading to bed?
Not at all, you're doing me a favourHow sad am I at this time of the morning to watch them, before heading to bed?
onboard said:
Would have been good to have sound to get some commentary on the clips.
Its only a 30 squid jobbyonboard said:
1st clip apart from a little close to some parked cars rest of time in garage forecourt and not worth watching (unless there was a problem with clip loading)
Probably true, I just wanted there to be some continuity to the clips, its a fine line betweem being close to park cars, and appearing not to know or be able to judge the width of your vehicle, obviously your judgement is I'm a tad forceful !onboard said:
2nd & 3rd clips - not sure on what you mean by lane discipline but i did pick up that while on the whole it appeared to be a progressive drive there were too many times you were a bit close to cars in front and appeared to be led by the preceeding drivers decision to change lanes, either in or out, when i would expect you to be looking further ahead than that driver and taking your position earlier than he was and if need be allowing him to come into the space you had created while maintaining safe positioning - almost creating the space for the other driver before he has thought about it.
By lane discipline, I mean it appeared, on the original clips, not these, to myself, that I was hanging out,normally in lane three (due to volume of traffic)onboard said:
Also came in from lane 2 or 3 at times only to have to go back out quite soon, when I would have stayed out to continue with the overtake.
Fair enough, on the last clips I thought I was out too long at timesonboard said:
Clip 4 wouldn't play.
Seems to be doing so for me.onboard said:
Good to post the clips of your driving and means you are actively thinking about it, which must be a good thing.
I was more than a little embarrassed that the first ones I posted, in my opinion, seemed to show me in a bad light.Many thanks for your time and feedback
Syndrome said:
What was going on with that truck at the start of clip one? he seemed to be turning right, and you didn't slow down but actually drove around the back of him. If I was a DSA examiner on a test I'd have that down as a major fault.
The lory driver was just being the typical " I'm bigger than you, so I'm pulling out", I'm not a learner on test, I just used accelaration sense and as you quite rightly point out, I just went around him , smoothly, without causing greif to anyoneSyndrome said:
Then a bit later on in the same clip you pass a stationary car on the left and probably cause the guy in the silver car approaching to at least think about moving over. Again I'd at least have that down as a minor.
I'm not a learner on test, I thought that was showing judgement, as the car approaching me wasn't showing L or P plates, so I'd class that as progressive driving, although I appreciate its a fine line between progressive and agressiveSyndrome said:
Your judgement when confronted with hazards seems a bit off to me in that clip. Sorry if this seems like a bit of a rant, it isn't meant to be. Well that's my 2p anyway .
Your opinion doesn't seem like a rant to me, I asked for your opinion, and you're taking time out to give it, many thanks.Syndrome said:
At least you seem to be driving in the left hand lane unless overtaking, which is more than can be said for the numpties in lanes 2 and 3 in the motorway clips. The less said about the 2 clowns who didn't give way to you on the roundabouts in clip 2 the better. Let's say I regularly see a lot worse driving than you've demonstrated there anyway.
Don't worry about others driving in these clips ..... its me I'm after critising, and there wasn't really much of an issue with anyone else, although the camera view sometimes seems to suggest things are a bit closer than they are .Many thanks for your time.
Syndrome said:
What was going on with that truck at the start of clip one? he seemed to be turning right, and you didn't slow down but actually drove around the back of him. If I was a DSA examiner on a test I'd have that down as a major fault. Then a bit later on in the same clip you pass a stationary car on the left and probably cause the guy in the silver car approaching to at least think about moving over. Again I'd at least have that down as a minor. Your judgement when confronted with hazards seems a bit off to me in that clip.
Just shows that this advanced driving business is an art rather than a science - different people see it differently. I have no problems with going round the back of the heavy at the very start, providing the side-road to the left has been checked as clear. If the stationary car reference is to 0.36, then again I thought that was fine - there was a good view through and under the parked car, to confirm that it was safe to pass close to it, and there was plenty of width left for the oncoming silver car, without forcing him to go too close to the parked cars on his side. Perhaps that is not the incident Syndrome is referring to? As an aside, with parked cars on the left I like to establish a dominant position out into the road early both for best vision and so that oncoming vehicles have time to respond. Right at the end of the clip, when you stopped behind an orange Metro, did you leave the junction on the left clear? (I am an IAM Observer, Rospa Gold).
PS Very brave of you to expose your driving for comments, good for you.
Edited by waremark on Tuesday 3rd November 11:43
Hi,
I know this is probably down to individual Groups, but it is good for the tutors/observers/instructors to go out with each other as well to pick up on good and not so good points in own driving and coaching/teaching.
If you have passed either the IAM or RoSPA Advanced Test, I reckon if you leave it a year to a year and a half, before you get someone else to look at your own driving again, then the chances are you have left it too long and probably not driving the way you think you are (there are a few exceptions to that but not many)It does help a bit if you become a tutor/observer but still worth being re-assessed.
My 4p worth!
I know this is probably down to individual Groups, but it is good for the tutors/observers/instructors to go out with each other as well to pick up on good and not so good points in own driving and coaching/teaching.
If you have passed either the IAM or RoSPA Advanced Test, I reckon if you leave it a year to a year and a half, before you get someone else to look at your own driving again, then the chances are you have left it too long and probably not driving the way you think you are (there are a few exceptions to that but not many)It does help a bit if you become a tutor/observer but still worth being re-assessed.
My 4p worth!
onboard said:
I know this is probably down to individual Groups, but it is good for the tutors/observers/instructors to go out with each other as well to pick up on good and not so good points in own driving and coaching/teaching.
How often do you get your instructors to drive together?
1. Nothing hair-raising.
- Hard to see clearance from cyclist - assume fine.
- Managed to meet one on-comer exactly in the narrowest bit, but it was wide enough
- Most dangerous thing was the risk to viewer of boredom-induced suicide with 6 mins of forecourt footage.
2. Again nothing hair-raising.
- Could have gone fully offside earlier for roadworks -- increases vision, and leaves side road vehicles with no doubt, builds margins
- Lane discipline at first RAB feels a trifle forced -- I can't know what's around you, but nothing passes you.
- 5.00ish - we appear to have settled into a follow on the BMW regardless of his speed an progress. This is evidenced by a RAB where we choose the lane he is occupying rather than the empty one next to him.
- 7.40 - could you give HA more space?
- 8.27 - could be out even earlier for trucks -- nothing was approaching from behind (at least nothing passed in next 30s)
- Risk of passenger suicide reduced.
3. Ok - previous two were digests. This time I tried typing a stream of consciousness
0.19 - I really wish you'd register avs4you
0.19 - what are we doing in here next to these huge things -- aren't we going to pass that white van too?
0.34 - Oh i see we had a wing-rider. Was he trapping us against the heavies?
0.43 - What are we still doing back here with no view? Wobbly white van in front
0.51 - At last.
1.45 - The space to the car in front is still getting smaller - are we going to L2?
2.03 - Oh no. He has. Now there's a dilemma - go on Nige - up the inside.
2.21 - L2, now he pops out to L3. Our speed is being dictated by his progress, which is slower than ours
(or was)
2.43 - Don't do it. I can feel you thinking about dropping in to L2
2.50 - Oh - L2.
3.04 - Ah - back to L3. Noone passed - was there a point to the double lanechange?
3.20 - Are we far enough away from this car (with escape lanes blocked)
3.39 - that's more comfy
3.53 - wait - we've closed up and followed him to L2.
4.24 - we're passing now, having let one through.
4.34 - can feel you wanting to go for L2
4.47 - here we go again - dropping into a closing gap
5.03 - we did those lane changes to let a jag into no space
5.13 - well I say no space - as in there's no space between us and him
5.17 - it's pretty obvious it's going to be better once the elephants stop raicng
why are we this bunched up?
5.28 - hope...nothing...goes...wrong...
5.44 - not another L3-L2 change into a decreasing gap?!
6.02 - for pity's sake don't tease him, man
6.16 - is that vehicle that passed quicker? we match him for next 30 secs
6.46 - the drop into the closing gap
7.02 - no wait -- there's a handle on my door. I could jump
8.08 - maybe i'll stay a little longer to see how long we match and follow this car
8.21 - why so late?
8.30 - don't you dare.
8.36 - oh you did.
8.40 - oh no not again
- Hard to see clearance from cyclist - assume fine.
- Managed to meet one on-comer exactly in the narrowest bit, but it was wide enough
- Most dangerous thing was the risk to viewer of boredom-induced suicide with 6 mins of forecourt footage.
2. Again nothing hair-raising.
- Could have gone fully offside earlier for roadworks -- increases vision, and leaves side road vehicles with no doubt, builds margins
- Lane discipline at first RAB feels a trifle forced -- I can't know what's around you, but nothing passes you.
- 5.00ish - we appear to have settled into a follow on the BMW regardless of his speed an progress. This is evidenced by a RAB where we choose the lane he is occupying rather than the empty one next to him.
- 7.40 - could you give HA more space?
- 8.27 - could be out even earlier for trucks -- nothing was approaching from behind (at least nothing passed in next 30s)
- Risk of passenger suicide reduced.
3. Ok - previous two were digests. This time I tried typing a stream of consciousness
0.19 - I really wish you'd register avs4you
0.19 - what are we doing in here next to these huge things -- aren't we going to pass that white van too?
0.34 - Oh i see we had a wing-rider. Was he trapping us against the heavies?
0.43 - What are we still doing back here with no view? Wobbly white van in front
0.51 - At last.
1.45 - The space to the car in front is still getting smaller - are we going to L2?
2.03 - Oh no. He has. Now there's a dilemma - go on Nige - up the inside.
2.21 - L2, now he pops out to L3. Our speed is being dictated by his progress, which is slower than ours
(or was)
2.43 - Don't do it. I can feel you thinking about dropping in to L2
2.50 - Oh - L2.
3.04 - Ah - back to L3. Noone passed - was there a point to the double lanechange?
3.20 - Are we far enough away from this car (with escape lanes blocked)
3.39 - that's more comfy
3.53 - wait - we've closed up and followed him to L2.
4.24 - we're passing now, having let one through.
4.34 - can feel you wanting to go for L2
4.47 - here we go again - dropping into a closing gap
5.03 - we did those lane changes to let a jag into no space
5.13 - well I say no space - as in there's no space between us and him
5.17 - it's pretty obvious it's going to be better once the elephants stop raicng
why are we this bunched up?
5.28 - hope...nothing...goes...wrong...
5.44 - not another L3-L2 change into a decreasing gap?!
6.02 - for pity's sake don't tease him, man
6.16 - is that vehicle that passed quicker? we match him for next 30 secs
6.46 - the drop into the closing gap
7.02 - no wait -- there's a handle on my door. I could jump
8.08 - maybe i'll stay a little longer to see how long we match and follow this car
8.21 - why so late?
8.30 - don't you dare.
8.36 - oh you did.
8.40 - oh no not again
waremark said:
onboard said:
I know this is probably down to individual Groups, but it is good for the tutors/observers/instructors to go out with each other as well to pick up on good and not so good points in own driving and coaching/teaching.
How often do you get your instructors to drive together?All new ADIs with us, whether trainee or qualified, are required to sit in with our more experienced mentor instructors for a minimum of 4hrs a week for 3 months or until their first check test.
This ensures they not only get to experience the good and not so good bits from the instructors but also means it keeps the instructors on their toes as other instructors are sitting in on a regular basis.
All the instructors with us require to sit their IAM and RoSPA and without exception, those that have passed thier RoSPA have become involved with the local RoSPA Group and become a tutor. We tend to do our own in-house training for the Advanced Tests using our own RoSPA Approved and Advanced tutors, but the instructors need to be members of the RoSPA Group to be trained (our way of putting something back in)
Some of the instructors 'buddy' up on a fairly regular basis to help each other with the driving and instruction but we have also had 5 dedicated training days (all day) for the driver training in the last 6 months and this was structured whereby 16 instructors went out in 4 cars (2 X Golf GT Sports, 1 x Honda Civic and 1 x Fabia VRS) and all had shared driving time in short bursts of 20-30mins and then 2 occupants changed from each car, this enabled me and two main trainers to see trainers and drivers as well as show others the standard two were at who were going for test (1 for initial IAM & RoSPA and other for RoSPA re-test). We provided fuel for cars and participants at our cost!
There will be another two sessions this year and we have earmarked 9 more days (3 X Fri, Sat & Sun) before mid April for the same thing.
As you see I believe that if your own driving is where it should be and you are also teaching to a more advanced level then a good bit will rub off onto your normal L students.
All credit to you for posting these videos.
Not wishing to be too nit-picking, after all none of us is perfect, but these are the matters that I would want to address if you were an IAM or RoSPA associate of mine.
Video 1-
Too close to parked vehicles.
Too close to the cyclist - you had the whole width of the road available, the junction opposite was clear.
Video 3-
At 3:52 moved from lane 3 to lane 2 in to the blind spot of the LGV in lane 1. Could have waited another 2 or 3 seconds before moving to lane 2 and the LGV would have been cleared. There appeared to be no pressing reason to move to lane 2 when you did, as nothing came past in lane 3 for another 20 seconds
Videos 2-4
Another example of being too eager to move back to lane 1 occurs in video 4 at 8:37. You move from lane 2 to lane 1 immediately after the offslip, even though the onslip is visible, there is traffic entering from the onslip and there are no vehicles overtaking you thereby pressing you to "get out of their way".
At 8:57 (ie. 20 seconds later) you are moving back to lane 2 to allow for vehicles entering from the onslip. Again this is a case where raised vision and anticipation would enable you to form a driving plan that took the onslip into account. It's useful to remember "what goes off comes back on again" whenever an offslip is encountered.
Just a few of my thoughts.
Once again all credit to you for posting the videos
Not wishing to be too nit-picking, after all none of us is perfect, but these are the matters that I would want to address if you were an IAM or RoSPA associate of mine.
Video 1-
Too close to parked vehicles.
Too close to the cyclist - you had the whole width of the road available, the junction opposite was clear.
Video 3-
At 3:52 moved from lane 3 to lane 2 in to the blind spot of the LGV in lane 1. Could have waited another 2 or 3 seconds before moving to lane 2 and the LGV would have been cleared. There appeared to be no pressing reason to move to lane 2 when you did, as nothing came past in lane 3 for another 20 seconds
Videos 2-4
- Many examples of unnecessary moves from lane 2 to lane 1. A number of these moves were for no more than 20 seconds before lane 2 needed to be regained because of a slower moving LGV in lane 1. All of these unnecessary moves to lane 1 could have been avoided by raising vision, seeing the LGVs ahead and anticipating that a move back to lane 2 would be necessary within the next 20 to 30 seconds. As an earlier poster said there seems to be a tendency to follow the car in front from one lane to another without looking beyond him to form a driving plan that takes into account the LGVs in lane 1. I classify these lane changes as unnecessary because no vehicle came past on an overtake in the immediately vacated lane before you moved back to lane 2.
- It seemed at times that the following distance in lane 3 was less than 2 seconds
Another example of being too eager to move back to lane 1 occurs in video 4 at 8:37. You move from lane 2 to lane 1 immediately after the offslip, even though the onslip is visible, there is traffic entering from the onslip and there are no vehicles overtaking you thereby pressing you to "get out of their way".
At 8:57 (ie. 20 seconds later) you are moving back to lane 2 to allow for vehicles entering from the onslip. Again this is a case where raised vision and anticipation would enable you to form a driving plan that took the onslip into account. It's useful to remember "what goes off comes back on again" whenever an offslip is encountered.
Just a few of my thoughts.
Once again all credit to you for posting the videos
Edited by johnao on Tuesday 3rd November 18:22
Many many thanks to all of you for bothering to watch the videos, and then posting your responses.
I think it is fair to say that the camera, although fun, and useful in the context I bought it for, has a far too narrow a camera angle to be really really useful in the advanced driving world.
In the first clips I posted, in the sp&l forum, I, and others ,thought I was hanging in overtaking lanes for too long.
Certainly the "feel" of the drive seems different to what the camera portrays.
I didn't edit the videos, leading to boredom for some, just so you could see I'd taken nothing out.
As always, this driving subject has few right and wrong answers.
I was trained by a retired police traffic inspector, who now works for IAM fleet, all the way through observer and senior observer level.
He has always commented that I will put my car through spaces with oncoming traffic that he perhaps wouldn't, he commends me on the fact that I can judge my vehicles width very accurately, but feels I perhaps wouldn't do it if I didn't drive such large and substancial vehicles.
The comments about the roadworks, where I could have offsided further, I didn't bother because I didn't need to, I had enough vision, and was in a line of cars.
The same sentiment goes for the cyclist, although it isn't easy for you to tell, as you can't see the edges of my vehicle, I felt he had enough room, I'm not into making "big" statements as I pass something, enough room is enough, sort of thing.
When we get onto the motorway, I'm possibly over compensating for what I felt the earlier clips showed, plus, most of the time I'm travelling quite quickly.
Most of the time, anything passing me is well above the apco guidelines threshold, some vehicles increased speed on me slightly, and to pass them smartly would have put me well into the 90 mph plus area, which, with present day detection methods, plus the fact that I went into Gloucestershire where the carrot crunching gits love their scamera vans, I sometimes opted for descretion.
I think I'm going to ask for some more buddy runs, as since that large accident in June 2008, where I lost conciousness whilst driving, I've never been truly happy with my driving.
Again, many thanks for your time.
I think it is fair to say that the camera, although fun, and useful in the context I bought it for, has a far too narrow a camera angle to be really really useful in the advanced driving world.
In the first clips I posted, in the sp&l forum, I, and others ,thought I was hanging in overtaking lanes for too long.
Certainly the "feel" of the drive seems different to what the camera portrays.
I didn't edit the videos, leading to boredom for some, just so you could see I'd taken nothing out.
As always, this driving subject has few right and wrong answers.
I was trained by a retired police traffic inspector, who now works for IAM fleet, all the way through observer and senior observer level.
He has always commented that I will put my car through spaces with oncoming traffic that he perhaps wouldn't, he commends me on the fact that I can judge my vehicles width very accurately, but feels I perhaps wouldn't do it if I didn't drive such large and substancial vehicles.
The comments about the roadworks, where I could have offsided further, I didn't bother because I didn't need to, I had enough vision, and was in a line of cars.
The same sentiment goes for the cyclist, although it isn't easy for you to tell, as you can't see the edges of my vehicle, I felt he had enough room, I'm not into making "big" statements as I pass something, enough room is enough, sort of thing.
When we get onto the motorway, I'm possibly over compensating for what I felt the earlier clips showed, plus, most of the time I'm travelling quite quickly.
Most of the time, anything passing me is well above the apco guidelines threshold, some vehicles increased speed on me slightly, and to pass them smartly would have put me well into the 90 mph plus area, which, with present day detection methods, plus the fact that I went into Gloucestershire where the carrot crunching gits love their scamera vans, I sometimes opted for descretion.
I think I'm going to ask for some more buddy runs, as since that large accident in June 2008, where I lost conciousness whilst driving, I've never been truly happy with my driving.
Again, many thanks for your time.
The comment regarding the metro at the end of clip one, I think its a peugeot 205 (if I'm looking at the correct clip), and yes I left the sideroad clear.
There is about seven foot from my driving position to the front bumper, and with the camera at that angle, you can't even see my bonnet.
There is about seven foot from my driving position to the front bumper, and with the camera at that angle, you can't even see my bonnet.
Fwiw I passed my I.A.M. car some 20 yrs ago having been observed & tested by, Triple Class 1's. I have done the odd course or 2 & was once advised to put in for my Rospa Gold - though never bothered. I keep my hand in whilst being self critical & trying to learn from mistakes. I dont agree with roadcraft in its entirety & definitely dont wear an anorak covered in driving badges or place myself on a pedestal. I do, however, enjoy a good progressive drive when safely able.
Enough of the crap then....I would like to comment re footage and feedback to date.
Information Phase
It is very hard to give accurate feedback re your driving without seeing mirror views &/or other things you saw, possibly failed to see but the camera might not have shown. Similarly I had no idea what your eyes were doing.
Position/Speed/Acceleration
The subject of your progress and lane positioning has been commented on highlighted ,however, as you have pointed out you were keen to moderate your speed as you felt appropriate. It is in my view therefore a little unfair to criticise you for a lack of progression of holding lane if others travelling faster than you felt appropriate to safeguard the integrity of your licence & when filming. Also the camera,( perhaps sensibly), did not show the speeds involved, demonstrate accurately your accelerator sense & your ability or otherwise to use it to pan ahead in reaction to anticipated or actual events.
Car Controls
Developing my last comments re speed the footage gives no idea as to how settled the car felt, the manner you held the wheel, your use of foot controls, your smoothness or your use of gears.
Lane discipline & Pro's and Con's
I have read comments by others who feel it preferable to hold the faster lanes if a move to the left on the motorway may only result in later moving out & in abscence of anything passing you. I couldnt see the view behind and others couldnt either. Even if you moved in without others passing you it could be argued such driving may encourage others to paretake in lane hogging & when a lane to your left can be safely travelled in without need for esxcessive lane change. Clearly a balance needs to be struck here between excessive lane changing & lane hogging. An emergency vehicle on a blues and twos would perhaps have adopted a far more dominant outer position wherever possible & desireable to make safe but brisk progress whilst avoiding collision risk & moving as required to obtain and give information. But you weren't driving an emergency vehicle on a blues and twos.
Finally
Silent windscreen footage only tells a small part of a story. Despite my ramblings I havent gone into detail re the finer points of your drive(s) based on what I have,(or more importantly haven't) seen. I would love to tell you I watched every second of footage with great interest & took notes but tbh I got a little bored - Perhaps a lot more to do with my available time &/or attention span than your driving.
Good Luck with your driving development.
Enough of the crap then....I would like to comment re footage and feedback to date.
Information Phase
It is very hard to give accurate feedback re your driving without seeing mirror views &/or other things you saw, possibly failed to see but the camera might not have shown. Similarly I had no idea what your eyes were doing.
Position/Speed/Acceleration
The subject of your progress and lane positioning has been commented on highlighted ,however, as you have pointed out you were keen to moderate your speed as you felt appropriate. It is in my view therefore a little unfair to criticise you for a lack of progression of holding lane if others travelling faster than you felt appropriate to safeguard the integrity of your licence & when filming. Also the camera,( perhaps sensibly), did not show the speeds involved, demonstrate accurately your accelerator sense & your ability or otherwise to use it to pan ahead in reaction to anticipated or actual events.
Car Controls
Developing my last comments re speed the footage gives no idea as to how settled the car felt, the manner you held the wheel, your use of foot controls, your smoothness or your use of gears.
Lane discipline & Pro's and Con's
I have read comments by others who feel it preferable to hold the faster lanes if a move to the left on the motorway may only result in later moving out & in abscence of anything passing you. I couldnt see the view behind and others couldnt either. Even if you moved in without others passing you it could be argued such driving may encourage others to paretake in lane hogging & when a lane to your left can be safely travelled in without need for esxcessive lane change. Clearly a balance needs to be struck here between excessive lane changing & lane hogging. An emergency vehicle on a blues and twos would perhaps have adopted a far more dominant outer position wherever possible & desireable to make safe but brisk progress whilst avoiding collision risk & moving as required to obtain and give information. But you weren't driving an emergency vehicle on a blues and twos.
Finally
Silent windscreen footage only tells a small part of a story. Despite my ramblings I havent gone into detail re the finer points of your drive(s) based on what I have,(or more importantly haven't) seen. I would love to tell you I watched every second of footage with great interest & took notes but tbh I got a little bored - Perhaps a lot more to do with my available time &/or attention span than your driving.
Good Luck with your driving development.
Edited by AW8 on Monday 9th November 09:51
AW8 said:
Lane discipline & Pro's and Con's
I have read comments by others who feel it preferable to hold the faster lanes if a move to the left on the motorway may only result in later moving out & in abscence of anything passing you. I couldnt see the view behind and others couldnt either. Even if you moved in without others passing you it could be argued such driving may encourage others to paretake in lane hogging & when a lane to your left can be safely travelled in without need for esxcessive lane change. Clearly a balance needs to be struck here between excessive lane changing & lane hogging.
Hi AW8,I have read comments by others who feel it preferable to hold the faster lanes if a move to the left on the motorway may only result in later moving out & in abscence of anything passing you. I couldnt see the view behind and others couldnt either. Even if you moved in without others passing you it could be argued such driving may encourage others to paretake in lane hogging & when a lane to your left can be safely travelled in without need for esxcessive lane change. Clearly a balance needs to be struck here between excessive lane changing & lane hogging.
Could you please further develop your argument ..."Even if you moved in without others passing you it could be argued such driving may encourage others to paretake in lane hogging & when a lane to your left can be safely travelled in without need for esxcessive lane change"... as I'm not really clear about this?
You mention a need to strike a balance between excessive lane changing & lane hogging. How would you define the balance between excessive lane changing & lane hogging?
Many thanks
johnao said:
Hi AW8,
Could you please further develop your argument ..."Even if you moved in without others passing you it could be argued such driving may encourage others to paretake in lane hogging & when a lane to your left can be safely travelled in without need for esxcessive lane change"... as I'm not really clear about this?
You mention a need to strike a balance between excessive lane changing & lane hogging. How would you define the balance between excessive lane changing & lane hogging?
Many thanks
A brief answer from me !Could you please further develop your argument ..."Even if you moved in without others passing you it could be argued such driving may encourage others to paretake in lane hogging & when a lane to your left can be safely travelled in without need for esxcessive lane change"... as I'm not really clear about this?
You mention a need to strike a balance between excessive lane changing & lane hogging. How would you define the balance between excessive lane changing & lane hogging?
Many thanks
Its all personal opinion, like most things to do with driving.
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