Sometimes I'm tempted.

[WhoseGeneration]

To drive as do most.
In other words, to behave as the incompetent the Government assumes I am.
To totally disregard all the AD stuff.
I'm that fed up now.

[p1esk]

WhoseGeneration said:

To drive as do most.
In other words, to behave as the incompetent the Government assumes I am.
To totally disregard all the AD stuff.
I'm that fed up now.

Oh, sorry to hear that.

I do what I think is right, aiming to avoid causing any upset to other road users, and so long as things work out harmoniously that's really all I'm bothered about. The innumerable laws and rules are of much less consequence.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[1950trevorP]

WhoseGeneration said:

I'm that fed up now.

Ah diddums - never mind.

That is the reaction you wanted? No?

[BertBert]

WhoseGeneration said:

To drive as do most.
In other words, to behave as the incompetent the Government assumes I am.
To totally disregard all the AD stuff.
I'm that fed up now.

care to elaborate? Was it something we said?

Bert

[WhoseGeneration]

1950trevorP said:

WhoseGeneration said:

I'm that fed up now.

Ah diddums - never mind.

That is the reaction you wanted? No?

No, I wanted <hugs>.

[WhoseGeneration]

BertBert said:

care to elaborate? Was it something we said?
Bert

Here, of course not. However, one only has to read in GG to see that which I am talking about.
Driving standards that are not truly addressed by Government.
It persuing it's camera and limit reduction agenda above such as retesting.
Then, that's part of their desire to introduce ISA.
Which they will.

[S. Gonzales Esq.]

WhoseGeneration said:

To drive as do most.
In other words, to behave as the incompetent the Government assumes I am.
To totally disregard all the AD stuff.
I'm that fed up now.

How about disregarding all the incompetent Government stuff, and just sticking to the AD? Not the prescriptive rules of the various organisations, but the back-to-basics stuff. Stay safe, keep alert and observant, make progress.

So - choose a speed that's safe for you, overtake the dawdlers using the hatched areas, perhaps even treat traffic lights on roundabouts as advisory after midnight.

Since the rules, regulations and limits stopped having any basis in reality, I've decided to trust my own judgement.

Just watch out for the cameras!

[Timberwolf]

Sometimes I have the same feeling.

Then I remember all the "accidents" that weren't accidents because I was anticipating the other driver pulling out without looking, doing the good old satnav-influenced emergency lane change*, coming all the way round the roundabout without indicating, and so on.

Most incidents on the road seem to be two or more people both doing something stupid at the same time, so if I drive at the lowest common denominator level (i.e. stupid) then I dramatically increase the odds of being in a crash.

* - A car with a satellite navigation unit on the dash. Fantastic, easily-noticeable indication the driver concerned is likely to position straight out of the ADHD school of lane discipline.

[p1esk]

S. Gonzales Esq. said:

WhoseGeneration said:

To drive as do most.
In other words, to behave as the incompetent the Government assumes I am.
To totally disregard all the AD stuff.
I'm that fed up now.

How about disregarding all the incompetent Government stuff, and just sticking to the AD? Not the prescriptive rules of the various organisations, but the back-to-basics stuff. Stay safe, keep alert and observant, make progress.

So - choose a speed that's safe for you, overtake the dawdlers using the hatched areas, perhaps even treat traffic lights on roundabouts as advisory after midnight.

Since the rules, regulations and limits stopped having any basis in reality, I've decided to trust my own judgement.

Just watch out for the cameras!

That's my thinking too, apart from the bit about treating traffic lights on roundabouts as advisory after midnight. That sounds like a significant offence, even if it is quite safe. Am I missing something here ?

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[Dr Jekyll]

S. Gonzales Esq. said:

Since the rules, regulations and limits stopped having any basis in reality, I've decided to trust my own judgement.

Just watch out for the cameras!

Quote from H L Mencken

said:

The most dangerous man to any government
is the man who is able to think things out for himself,
without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos.
Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion
that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, and intolerable............

[S. Gonzales Esq.]

p1esk said:

sounds like a significant offence, even if it is quite safe.

Dave - I think you've answered your own question there.

[p1esk]

S. Gonzales Esq. said:

p1esk said:

sounds like a significant offence, even if it is quite safe.

Dave - I think you've answered your own question there.

Well I didn't feel I had, not entirely. Even if it is completely safe we are not at liberty to disregrard a red traffic light in the circumstances you describe, are we, any more than we can legally ignore any red traffic light? I mean, would you feel happy to do it with a Traffic (sorry, RPU) car behind you? I wouldn't.

Coincidentally, I went through a red traffic light early this morning. The light was red as I approached, and already waiting there was a motor cycle training bod. We waited, and waited, and waited, then eventually I edged alongside him whereupon he moved off slowly across the junction followed by me, and that was that. I reckon we had both come to the conclusion the lights had failed in some way.

Given that this was the Scarborough area, where they've become a complete pain in the ass with their 'Traffic Management' regime - far too many traffic lights and quite unnecessary delays to traffic flow - it is not surprising that there a few failures of the system.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[This Side Down]

WhoseGeneration said:

To drive as do most.
In other words, to behave as the incompetent the Government assumes I am.
To totally disregard all the AD stuff.
I'm that fed up now.

Indeed. I have taken to doing 45 in some quiet NSL roads normally following 2-3 seconds behind a fellow 45 MPHer whilst enjoying the nice relaxing drive, the increase in fuel economy and the lovely scenery (Wiltshire).

The roads I do this on are often very straight and wide, and rarely have traffic on. People can pass me easily and without incident.

You know... those 45 MPH muppets may be on to something!!!

[Dr Jekyll]

This Side Down said:

WhoseGeneration said:

To drive as do most.
In other words, to behave as the incompetent the Government assumes I am.
To totally disregard all the AD stuff.
I'm that fed up now.

Indeed. I have taken to doing 45 in some quiet NSL roads normally following 2-3 seconds behind a fellow 45 MPHer whilst enjoying the nice relaxing drive, the increase in fuel economy and the lovely scenery (Wiltshire).

The roads I do this on are often very straight and wide, and rarely have traffic on. People can pass me easily and without incident.

You know... those 45 MPH muppets may be on to something!!!

If it's more relaxing, and you appreciate the scenery more, are you quite sure you are concentrating as you would at 60?

[vonhosen]

Dr Jekyll said:

This Side Down said:

WhoseGeneration said:

To drive as do most.
In other words, to behave as the incompetent the Government assumes I am.
To totally disregard all the AD stuff.
I'm that fed up now.

Indeed. I have taken to doing 45 in some quiet NSL roads normally following 2-3 seconds behind a fellow 45 MPHer whilst enjoying the nice relaxing drive, the increase in fuel economy and the lovely scenery (Wiltshire).

The roads I do this on are often very straight and wide, and rarely have traffic on. People can pass me easily and without incident.

You know... those 45 MPH muppets may be on to something!!!

If it's more relaxing, and you appreciate the scenery more, are you quite sure you are concentrating as you would at 60?

How much concentration do you need ?

[S. Gonzales Esq.]

vonhosen said:

How much concentration do you need ?

Is this attitude from those in positions of influence perhaps part of the problem?

Current thinking seems to be in favour of removing the need for concentration - resulting in rules that disproportionately affect the more alert, keen driver.

[vonhosen]

S. Gonzales Esq. said:

vonhosen said:

How much concentration do you need ?

Is this attitude from those in positions of influence perhaps part of the problem?

Current thinking seems to be in favour of removing the need for concentration - resulting in rules that disproportionately affect the more alert, keen driver.

I don't now what the attitude of those in positions of influence are, perhaps you could tell me specifically who those people are.

Re concentration though, I think the answer is you need enough.

But then what's enough ?

Well that will differ for different people because of the spare capacity they possess for the task in hand.

For some people they can do all that is required & admire a bit of countryside too along the way, because they have the capacity to.

Just because somebody is applying a greater degree of concentration than another & are keen, it doesn't follow that they are doing as well as the other at the task in hand.

Edited by vonhosen on Monday 17th August 23:36

[waremark]

vonhosen said:

S. Gonzales Esq. said:

vonhosen said:

How much concentration do you need ?

Is this attitude from those in positions of influence perhaps part of the problem?

Current thinking seems to be in favour of removing the need for concentration - resulting in rules that disproportionately affect the more alert, keen driver.

I don't now what the attitude of those in positions of influence are, perhaps you could tell me specifically who those people are.

Re concentration though, I think the answer is you need enough.

But then what's enough ?

Well that will differ for different people because of the spare capacity they possess for the task in hand.

For some people they can do all that is required & admire a bit of countryside too along the way, because they have the capacity to.

Interesting observation. I consider that I have the capacity to use a mobile phone (hands free) while driving in an undemanding fashion.

[vonhosen]

waremark said:

vonhosen said:

S. Gonzales Esq. said:

vonhosen said:

How much concentration do you need ?

Is this attitude from those in positions of influence perhaps part of the problem?

Current thinking seems to be in favour of removing the need for concentration - resulting in rules that disproportionately affect the more alert, keen driver.

I don't now what the attitude of those in positions of influence are, perhaps you could tell me specifically who those people are.

Re concentration though, I think the answer is you need enough.

But then what's enough ?

Well that will differ for different people because of the spare capacity they possess for the task in hand.

For some people they can do all that is required & admire a bit of countryside too along the way, because they have the capacity to.

Interesting observation. I consider that I have the capacity to use a mobile phone (hands free) while driving in an undemanding fashion.

I don't doubt that some do & some don't, but exercising that choice legally (of non-hands free) has been taken away from drivers because of those that can't.

Those who use hands free are making the judgement that they do have spare capacity for that.

Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 18th August 00:06

[p1esk]

vonhosen said:

Dr Jekyll said:

This Side Down said:

WhoseGeneration said:

To drive as do most.
In other words, to behave as the incompetent the Government assumes I am.
To totally disregard all the AD stuff.
I'm that fed up now.

Indeed. I have taken to doing 45 in some quiet NSL roads normally following 2-3 seconds behind a fellow 45 MPHer whilst enjoying the nice relaxing drive, the increase in fuel economy and the lovely scenery (Wiltshire).

The roads I do this on are often very straight and wide, and rarely have traffic on. People can pass me easily and without incident.

You know... those 45 MPH muppets may be on to something!!!

If it's more relaxing, and you appreciate the scenery more, are you quite sure you are concentrating as you would at 60?

How much concentration do you need ?

Sufficient, rather than total - as some people seem to demand.

Best wishes all,
Dave.