Footwear whilst driving? Flip flops illegal?

Footwear whilst driving? Flip flops illegal?

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G_T

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16,160 posts

196 months

Wednesday 12th August 2009
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2 quick question for the collective as I've failed to find it on google...

1)Is it illegal to drive barefoot in the UK?

2)Is it true that in Scotland it is illegal to wear flip flops whilst driving?


I know it's random but I'm curious... Cheers lads.



Nolar Dog

8,786 posts

201 months

Wednesday 12th August 2009
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1)99.99% sure it is but I still do it very often,
2) 0.00% idea.

TC1474

17 posts

182 months

Wednesday 12th August 2009
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I can't answer for Scottish legislation as they tend to be at times a law on to themselves even though they still use our road traffic act, but as for the rest of the country, there is no legislation which states that only a certain type of footwear can or cannot be used, and in 30+ years in the legal profession, I have never heard of anyone being prosecuted for wearing flip flops or for driving in bare feet.

To convict of careless driving, it has to be shown that the standard of driving fell below that which would be expected of a reasonably competent driver or that there was a momentary lapse in concentration.

The only time the footwear could become an issue is if someone drove badly because of the type of footwear used in which case this fact would be used as evidence to support the prosecution.

I have seen this happen once when a young lady drove in something like 5 or 6 inch platforms and her right foot got wedged between the gas ands brake pedal and she was unable to slow down or stop resulting in a crash.

shakotan

10,775 posts

202 months

Wednesday 12th August 2009
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nick106 said:
Having just scanned the highway code, there is nothing black & white which states it is illegal to drive barefoot.

However.

Should an accident occur, it's possible to fall under "careless or dangerous driving" and that you were "not in a position to have proper control of the vehicle"

I've heard it could void insurance too.
How exactly can being barefoot, and having the utmost in sensory contact with the pedals, let alone more grip than a smoothed soled shoe, be illegal?

G_T

Original Poster:

16,160 posts

196 months

Wednesday 12th August 2009
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Well a dubious reference but apparently it's illegal to drive barefoot in Scotland;

http://www.ilovesheilas.com/ILS/News/ES_000209.htm...


henrycrun

2,461 posts

246 months

Wednesday 12th August 2009
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Lots of folks drive barefoot - is there anything in the HC to forbid the practice ?

tinman0

18,231 posts

246 months

Wednesday 12th August 2009
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G_T said:
Well a dubious reference but apparently it's illegal to drive barefoot in Scotland;

http://www.ilovesheilas.com/ILS/News/ES_000209.htm...
The interweb said:

wiki said:
Another common myth is that it is illegal to operate a motor vehicle while barefoot. Some people speculate that, because you use your feet while driving, there's more room for error and your feet could slip off of the pedals, resulting in an accident.[6] In fact, in all 50 states and territories in the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom, it is perfectly legal to drive barefoot.[6][7][8] However, in some jurisdictions, police officers may ticket you for other things if the fact that you were driving barefoot or in flip flops hindered your driving and/or resulted in an accident.[9]

WhoseGeneration

4,090 posts

213 months

Wednesday 12th August 2009
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Hmm, I can remember, albeit some years ago, a talk to the IAM group I was then in, from a local Class 1, telling us about the training and how those who had trouble with gearchanging being made to drive shoeless.
To provide the necessary sensitivity, I presumed.

Eta, me, if the footwear means I can work the pedals and heel and toe, it's ok.
Race boots do provide the best feel though but that's a bit ott for the road.

Edited by WhoseGeneration on Wednesday 12th August 22:07

BertBert

19,539 posts

217 months

Wednesday 12th August 2009
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nick106 said:
I've heard it could void insurance too.
Another PH special. And just what reliable source did you hear it from then? rolleyes
Bert

G_T

Original Poster:

16,160 posts

196 months

Thursday 13th August 2009
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Well I've got my advanced test coming up and for that I'll be sat next to relatively senior traffic cop. I'll have to ask him and report back.

I don't trust the wiki reference anymore than my dodgey one!

RobM77

35,349 posts

240 months

Thursday 13th August 2009
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WhoseGeneration said:
Race boots do provide the best feel though but that's a bit ott for the road.
Try the Puma non fireproof driving shoes, they're even better smile Race boots have quite thick soles. I actually use my Pumas for driving everything, even my BMW. I think it's a little safer, so I take the time to change my shoes before I drive anything.

As for barefoot, it hurts my feet too much to even declutch!!

reggie82

1,372 posts

184 months

Thursday 13th August 2009
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shakotan said:
nick106 said:
Having just scanned the highway code, there is nothing black & white which states it is illegal to drive barefoot.

However.

Should an accident occur, it's possible to fall under "careless or dangerous driving" and that you were "not in a position to have proper control of the vehicle"

I've heard it could void insurance too.
How exactly can being barefoot, and having the utmost in sensory contact with the pedals, let alone more grip than a smoothed soled shoe, be illegal?
I think safety is compromised driving barefoot. My reasoning behind this is that if you had to do an emergency stop, and had a bit of grit or something stuck to the bottom of your foot or on the pedal, you reactions would immediately take your foot back off the pedal as you applied pressure (or you atleast wouldnt be braking as hard as if you had shoes on).

I'm not suggesting it's illegal btw smile

tinman0

18,231 posts

246 months

Friday 14th August 2009
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reggie82 said:
I think safety is compromised driving barefoot. My reasoning behind this is that if you had to do an emergency stop, and had a bit of grit or something stuck to the bottom of your foot or on the pedal, you reactions would immediately take your foot back off the pedal as you applied pressure (or you atleast wouldnt be braking as hard as if you had shoes on).
I've heard this grit thing before on PH, and I have yet to experience this mysterious grit on the bottom of my foot whilst driving barefoot.

It doesn't happen. If there is a bit of grit on your foot you will feel before you even start the engine and brush it off. If its on the pedal, then you will simply brush it away. And as for the rest - just vacuum the drivers footwell occasionally.

SkinnyBoy

4,635 posts

264 months

Friday 14th August 2009
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i go barefoot all the time in the summer months, never had a problem even with hard braking etc. I have Mugen pedals which offer amazing grip wet or dry. In the cooler months its either my Adiracer's or my Tods loafers.

BertBert

19,539 posts

217 months

Friday 14th August 2009
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nick106 said:
BertBert said:
nick106 said:
I've heard it could void insurance too.
Another PH special. And just what reliable source did you hear it from then? rolleyes
Bert
A PH special you say? I don't really think my comment deserves a thread of it's own, or even better, the 'Hall of Fame'.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=illegal...

If you're as easily excited as my comment appears to have made you, I'm sure you can go and have a wk to Upsy-Daisy In the night garden.

Edited by nick106 on Friday 14th August 09:21
What on earth are you talking about? Can you not debate without personal abuse?

Bert
And yes the double-entendre was deliberate

Carwyn92

33 posts

182 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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I'd rather go for bare feet than flip-flops, and socks rather than smooth soled shoes (eg. parade shoes). rubber pedals dont hurt the feet at all.

N88

1,306 posts

185 months

Tuesday 18th August 2009
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If I'm ever wearing flip flops on a particular day and I jump in the car, I'll take them off and stick them in the passenger footwell. I see it as perfectly safe to drive barefoot -and cant see why anyone would think differently! Flip flops I find dangerous though and could see why this would be illegal.

reggie82

1,372 posts

184 months

Friday 21st August 2009
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tinman0 said:
reggie82 said:
I think safety is compromised driving barefoot. My reasoning behind this is that if you had to do an emergency stop, and had a bit of grit or something stuck to the bottom of your foot or on the pedal, you reactions would immediately take your foot back off the pedal as you applied pressure (or you atleast wouldnt be braking as hard as if you had shoes on).
I've heard this grit thing before on PH, and I have yet to experience this mysterious grit on the bottom of my foot whilst driving barefoot.

It doesn't happen. If there is a bit of grit on your foot you will feel before you even start the engine and brush it off. If its on the pedal, then you will simply brush it away. And as for the rest - just vacuum the drivers footwell occasionally.
Yes the odds may be slim, but isnt that what advanced driving is about, improving the odds?

BertBert

19,539 posts

217 months

Saturday 22nd August 2009
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I think that the concept of something sharp on the bottom of your foot stopping you from braking is a possibility, but having had a similar problem I can vouch for the outcome. I was driving Dony and coming up to Goddards, I just got my foot to the brakes and had a huge cramp in my foot. The kind that has you leaping out of bed at night. The need to brake though was by far the dominating factor. I don't doubt that a stone on the bottom of one's foot would not get in the way of braking if needed!

Bert

reggie82

1,372 posts

184 months

Sunday 23rd August 2009
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Fair dues, maybe im just being a bit caucious (got a mental block on how to spell that for some reason??), but I'm till not going to be driving in bare foot just in case.