Where does"Darwinism" fade and intelligence come to bud?
Discussion
me in my other thread said:
Note I say "teenage cyclist" as I am talking of the 13-15 year old at play. Can you be so sure you will not hit him or her? Do not give me "they should have looked" argument as we all know they should - but they just DON'T! And believe me - as a teacher of this age group - you can teach and lecture till hell freezes over with some of them and the penny never drops. Do not reply with "Darwinism" as it ain't gonna wash with me. Discuss the solutions if we are to improve things. Maybe it's another thread? I'll start one then!
OK - where does Darwinism end and intelligence start?How can we teach this type? We all know they exist. We've all met them in various guises. I've seen them appear in court. I've seen them get let off lighter than I would like to see if I was up there on that Bench - given the Bench had the right to send up to Crown for tougher sentence in some cases - and I think I may argued for that in some cases - but I suppose I am "a green tough shoot grwoing here" I will agree that we need to teach better - but HOW - given I teach the right stuff but know I've lost 2% in this elite school and guess I lost 10% in terms of "learning/developing" when working in two "sinking inner cities serving very rough areas" In these latter schools - parents and students were arrested as routine - so how do we educate this type better? Maybe this is a "Pie and Piston Political matter" and mods may move if they think I've made a mistake in forum choice.
I think it to be a driving - educational matter all the same but apologies if I am posting in the wrong place? A grey area?
If they can say "do you want fries with that?" coherantly they have purpopse. If they can't finish a sentence without saying "yer-but-no" "like" or "in-it" then I suggest chemical castration or mass genocide.
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In Germany (I've been told) you need at least "A" Level equivlent education to operate a HGV, this is a brilliant idea but why only HGV's?
How about five G.C.S.E's to drive any vehicle in the UK?
One of those G.C.S.E's should be in driver education. Similar to the system in America and Canada Drivers Ed' qualification means less insurance costs for new drivers and fewer accidents for everyone.
How about five G.C.S.E's to drive any vehicle in the UK?
One of those G.C.S.E's should be in driver education. Similar to the system in America and Canada Drivers Ed' qualification means less insurance costs for new drivers and fewer accidents for everyone.
Robert060379 said:
In Germany (I've been told) you need at least "A" Level equivlent education to operate a HGV, this is a brilliant idea but why only HGV's?
How about five G.C.S.E's to drive any vehicle in the UK?
One of those G.C.S.E's should be in driver education. Similar to the system in America and Canada Drivers Ed' qualification means less insurance costs for new drivers and fewer accidents for everyone.
Are the fatality rates really good in America then ?How about five G.C.S.E's to drive any vehicle in the UK?
One of those G.C.S.E's should be in driver education. Similar to the system in America and Canada Drivers Ed' qualification means less insurance costs for new drivers and fewer accidents for everyone.
?I understand that 95% of 14 to 21 year old boys believe themselves to be immortal. In a work place setting the only way to keep them safe is to ensure that they know you will sack them if they fail to follow correct safety procedures and never trust them with anything that might injure anyone else.
There is nothing you can do other than subliminal marketing via You Tube.
Show them clips of people being killed.
This is how H&S used to shock new starters in my old place. 20 photo's of people dead.
There is nothing you can do other than subliminal marketing via You Tube.
Show them clips of people being killed.
This is how H&S used to shock new starters in my old place. 20 photo's of people dead.
A Level or GCSE requirements to be able to drive is an issue to my mind.
I have both, I should make that clear first, however:
People who struggle at school, and so leave to work afterwards and never go to college, because they are good with their hands, and practical things, but struggle with the classroom type stuff, in my opinion have just as much righ, and just as much capability on the roads as a degree or masters student.
Cars / Lorries / Buses etc have a lack of respect hisorically for pushbikes on the roads. They dont pay to be there, carry no insurance, and require no training before being let loose, and so this has made them a hazard to themselves and everybody else. They justify running lights as it gives them a headstart on cars, and can be seen frequently to hop off-road when it suits them to save a couple of seconds.
To cut down on young people being injured on bikes on the roads, education is needed. Drivers need to be made more aware, perhaps by way of required regular refresher lessons or tests, not just an advertising campaign. Cyclists need to be made to carry insurance, and have basic training before being allowed on the roads, and ideally be registered so they are accountable, so will be more inclined to follow rules if disobeying them gets a hefty fine landed on their doorstep.
I have hit a cyclist, about 7 years ago. He swerved out in front of me, I braked, but had nowhere to go, oncoming cars and a vertical grassy bank on the nearside meant all I could do was brake and hope. I almost stopped, but just nudged him. He was fine, and his bike was fine, happily. I was sent on the driver re-training program, which cost me £150 I think, to be lectured about how bad I was, and shown by a know-it-all instructor how I couldn't drive. This was entirely counter-productive, largely because the people on the course were there for such a variety of reasons, some people for genuine accidents, others as the result of doing something stupid. For that course to help people, there needs to be 2 of them. 1 for people who have actually done wrong, and 1 for people who were there as the direct result of somebody elses actions.
To improve driving and thus the safety of cyclists through improving drivers, the main thing this country needs to do, is accept drivers are not evil, and not the governments personal piggy bank. If they treat us with respect rather than contempt, we will respond well to their suggestions in the changing of our habbits. If they continue to make us pay more for our driving than most of the rest of the world, for no GOOD reason, then it is hard to expect people to take heed of their ramblings.
More carrot, less stick.
I have both, I should make that clear first, however:
People who struggle at school, and so leave to work afterwards and never go to college, because they are good with their hands, and practical things, but struggle with the classroom type stuff, in my opinion have just as much righ, and just as much capability on the roads as a degree or masters student.
Cars / Lorries / Buses etc have a lack of respect hisorically for pushbikes on the roads. They dont pay to be there, carry no insurance, and require no training before being let loose, and so this has made them a hazard to themselves and everybody else. They justify running lights as it gives them a headstart on cars, and can be seen frequently to hop off-road when it suits them to save a couple of seconds.
To cut down on young people being injured on bikes on the roads, education is needed. Drivers need to be made more aware, perhaps by way of required regular refresher lessons or tests, not just an advertising campaign. Cyclists need to be made to carry insurance, and have basic training before being allowed on the roads, and ideally be registered so they are accountable, so will be more inclined to follow rules if disobeying them gets a hefty fine landed on their doorstep.
I have hit a cyclist, about 7 years ago. He swerved out in front of me, I braked, but had nowhere to go, oncoming cars and a vertical grassy bank on the nearside meant all I could do was brake and hope. I almost stopped, but just nudged him. He was fine, and his bike was fine, happily. I was sent on the driver re-training program, which cost me £150 I think, to be lectured about how bad I was, and shown by a know-it-all instructor how I couldn't drive. This was entirely counter-productive, largely because the people on the course were there for such a variety of reasons, some people for genuine accidents, others as the result of doing something stupid. For that course to help people, there needs to be 2 of them. 1 for people who have actually done wrong, and 1 for people who were there as the direct result of somebody elses actions.
To improve driving and thus the safety of cyclists through improving drivers, the main thing this country needs to do, is accept drivers are not evil, and not the governments personal piggy bank. If they treat us with respect rather than contempt, we will respond well to their suggestions in the changing of our habbits. If they continue to make us pay more for our driving than most of the rest of the world, for no GOOD reason, then it is hard to expect people to take heed of their ramblings.
More carrot, less stick.
All Jagged Up said:
me in my other thread said:
Note I say "teenage cyclist" as I am talking of the 13-15 year old at play. Can you be so sure you will not hit him or her? Do not give me "they should have looked" argument as we all know they should - but they just DON'T! And believe me - as a teacher of this age group - you can teach and lecture till hell freezes over with some of them and the penny never drops. Do not reply with "Darwinism" as it ain't gonna wash with me. Discuss the solutions if we are to improve things. Maybe it's another thread? I'll start one then!
OK - where does Darwinism end and intelligence start?How can we teach this type? We all know they exist. We've all met them in various guises. I've seen them appear in court. I've seen them get let off lighter than I would like to see if I was up there on that Bench - given the Bench had the right to send up to Crown for tougher sentence in some cases - and I think I may argued for that in some cases - but I suppose I am "a green tough shoot grwoing here" I will agree that we need to teach better - but HOW - given I teach the right stuff but know I've lost 2% in this elite school and guess I lost 10% in terms of "learning/developing" when working in two "sinking inner cities serving very rough areas" In these latter schools - parents and students were arrested as routine - so how do we educate this type better? Maybe this is a "Pie and Piston Political matter" and mods may move if they think I've made a mistake in forum choice.
I think it to be a driving - educational matter all the same but apologies if I am posting in the wrong place? A grey area?
A futile wish, History teaches us this.
Robert060379 said:
In Germany (I've been told) you need at least "A" Level equivlent education to operate a HGV, this is a brilliant idea but why only HGV's?
How about five G.C.S.E's to drive any vehicle in the UK?
One of those G.C.S.E's should be in driver education. Similar to the system in America and Canada Drivers Ed' qualification means less insurance costs for new drivers and fewer accidents for everyone.
And Sir Jackie Stewart, who suffers badly with dyslexia, left school, I believe, with no formal qualifications...How about five G.C.S.E's to drive any vehicle in the UK?
One of those G.C.S.E's should be in driver education. Similar to the system in America and Canada Drivers Ed' qualification means less insurance costs for new drivers and fewer accidents for everyone.
Obviously no good as a driver or road safety campaigner then!
This is how H&S used to shock new starters in my old place. 20 photo's of people dead.
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You got off lightly, when I started work I was taken into a room with 20 dead people...
I am a driver and cyclist so I see both sides of the problem.
As a driver, the most frequent problems I get with cyclists are their visibility at night, ie. None. Get some lights and wear light clothing and/or a high-vis jacket. The other is their habit of assuming the Right of Way at any junction and pulling out of the side road with no consideration for the 3 tons of metal heading towards them. Also, trying to undertake vehicles turning left isn't safe.
My view of cyclists behaviour at traffic lights differs from many others. Cyclists will come past a line of traffic stopped at a red light. If they then stop and wait for the light to change: there will be the wobble as they pull off, fail to indicate if turning, pull away slowly so fewer vehicles get through the lights and it's not safe to overtake them untill well after the junction. If they do run the red light, provided it it clear and safe to do so (may be wrong, but not my point.) They are well on their way and past the hazzard of the junction before cars come up to overtaking them. By this time the cars have spaced out more as well so the second/third cars get to see you with more reaction time. As a cyclist I find this safer than having a bunch of cars trying to squeze past me before exiting the junction.
I fortunatly have not had a major incident with a car/bike but have been nudged several times by drivers, 4 have started passing me on the approach to a roundabout and pulled to the left squashing me between the curb and their front passenger door. Another turning right off a main road didn't see me coming the other way, and another cliped me with her wing mirror as she overtook past a bollard in the middle of the road. All in daylight and good conditions.
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You got off lightly, when I started work I was taken into a room with 20 dead people...
I am a driver and cyclist so I see both sides of the problem.
As a driver, the most frequent problems I get with cyclists are their visibility at night, ie. None. Get some lights and wear light clothing and/or a high-vis jacket. The other is their habit of assuming the Right of Way at any junction and pulling out of the side road with no consideration for the 3 tons of metal heading towards them. Also, trying to undertake vehicles turning left isn't safe.
My view of cyclists behaviour at traffic lights differs from many others. Cyclists will come past a line of traffic stopped at a red light. If they then stop and wait for the light to change: there will be the wobble as they pull off, fail to indicate if turning, pull away slowly so fewer vehicles get through the lights and it's not safe to overtake them untill well after the junction. If they do run the red light, provided it it clear and safe to do so (may be wrong, but not my point.) They are well on their way and past the hazzard of the junction before cars come up to overtaking them. By this time the cars have spaced out more as well so the second/third cars get to see you with more reaction time. As a cyclist I find this safer than having a bunch of cars trying to squeze past me before exiting the junction.
I fortunatly have not had a major incident with a car/bike but have been nudged several times by drivers, 4 have started passing me on the approach to a roundabout and pulled to the left squashing me between the curb and their front passenger door. Another turning right off a main road didn't see me coming the other way, and another cliped me with her wing mirror as she overtook past a bollard in the middle of the road. All in daylight and good conditions.
Robert060379 said:
Croitizasun me speeling moist aches egin?
The manual labour point is very true I know a chap who can't write his own name but he can strip and rebuild E-Type Jag' V12 engine in a weekend. So a re-think of my previous suggestion is a more than valid critisism.
You mocked a certain group of people not because they couldn't rebuild an engine, but because their use of English was below your standards. In the same complaint, however, your own use of English was piss-poor. The manual labour point is very true I know a chap who can't write his own name but he can strip and rebuild E-Type Jag' V12 engine in a weekend. So a re-think of my previous suggestion is a more than valid critisism.
I don't think it much matters how the group that you mocked, or how you yourself, use English. If you can manage to get yourself understood, that's good enough. But before you start demeaning others, you might want to ask whether your own practice is up to scratch.
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