Overtaking? Fear? Lost Skill? or No Skill?
Discussion
Pigeon said:
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2) People who do 50-55mph until they come up behind someone in group (1), whereupon they join the back of the queue and stay there for ever.
3) People who are trying to make progress, who regard the limit as optional and may be going significantly faster than 60mph if they feel like it.
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On point 2 - again we are into another topic of conversation .. FEAR of overtaking or sheer loss of skill.
OK - so are some simply lacking basic skills, lost the skills..?2) People who do 50-55mph until they come up behind someone in group (1), whereupon they join the back of the queue and stay there for ever.
3) People who are trying to make progress, who regard the limit as optional and may be going significantly faster than 60mph if they feel like it.
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On point 2 - again we are into another topic of conversation .. FEAR of overtaking or sheer loss of skill.
How can we teach or at least train to develop/improve this skill?
Overtaking can be one of the most serious dangers as well - and perhaps this also leads to "fear" in some drivers - and part of this discussion should be attempting to analsyse this "alleged fear"
Why I comment that it can be "one of the more dangerous manouevres" is because I htink it to be a skilled one and if we overtake - we have to it as quickly as possible so as to reduce the exposure to risk on single roads.
Are we teaching enough observation skills/risk assessment etc? for example?
All Jagged Up said:
Pigeon said:
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2) People who do 50-55mph until they come up behind someone in group (1), whereupon they join the back of the queue and stay there for ever.
3) People who are trying to make progress, who regard the limit as optional and may be going significantly faster than 60mph if they feel like it.
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On point 2 - again we are into another topic of conversation .. FEAR of overtaking or sheer loss of skill.
OK - so are some simply lacking basic skills, lost the skills..?2) People who do 50-55mph until they come up behind someone in group (1), whereupon they join the back of the queue and stay there for ever.
3) People who are trying to make progress, who regard the limit as optional and may be going significantly faster than 60mph if they feel like it.
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On point 2 - again we are into another topic of conversation .. FEAR of overtaking or sheer loss of skill.
How can we teach or at least train to develop/improve this skill?
Overtaking can be one of the most serious dangers as well - and perhaps this also leads to "fear" in some drivers - and part of this discussion should be attempting to analsyse this "alleged fear"
Why I comment that it can be "one of the more dangerous manouevres" is because I htink it to be a skilled one and if we overtake - we have to it as quickly as possible so as to reduce the exposure to risk on single roads.
Are we teaching enough observation skills/risk assessment etc? for example?
Incidentally, I think we worry too much about TED. You don't need to complete overtakes as quickly as possible; you need to complete them quickly enough to ensure that adverse situations do not develop and present difficulties or dangers.
For example, on a long straight road with no oncomers in sight, no junctions, no field entrances, no lay-bys etc., you can take your time to quietly pass another vehicle. Pull out early, go past with a modest speed differential, and return to your own side of the road steadily afterwards. In that situation going past with a high speed differential, or strong acceleration (especially with a noisy car) is, I would say, both unnecessary and undesirable, because there is no need for it, and you run the risk of startling the overtakee, and that might cause a problem (at least for him) that would not otherwise arise.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Edited by p1esk on Wednesday 20th May 15:51
Last week, I overtook a line of about 7-8 cars that were sitting behind a tractor doing <20mph. This was on a dead straight, slightly downhill road with no hidden dips. Visibility to next corner around half a mile.
I actually waited to see if anyone would go in front of me. No. Then I overtook at about 40mph in case anyone decided to go for it without looking in their mirrors. No. Got in front of the tractor, accelerated up to the limit (60) and still no-one had overtaken the tractor. I think it's a skill that has been lost by the vast majority of motorists.
My mum: "Overtaking is fine for people in fast cars. Not me."
She has a Citroen Xsara 2.0, easily capable of overtaking when needed.
My father in law will never stray from lane 1 of a motorway. He was about 20 mins late for a visit to us in Southampton, driving from Basingstoke. "I followed a mobile crane all the way here. Next time I won't take the motorway, it's too dangerous. All those lorries overtaking you all the time..."
I actually made an overtake on my driving test. Nothing dangerous about it!
I actually waited to see if anyone would go in front of me. No. Then I overtook at about 40mph in case anyone decided to go for it without looking in their mirrors. No. Got in front of the tractor, accelerated up to the limit (60) and still no-one had overtaken the tractor. I think it's a skill that has been lost by the vast majority of motorists.
My mum: "Overtaking is fine for people in fast cars. Not me."
She has a Citroen Xsara 2.0, easily capable of overtaking when needed.
My father in law will never stray from lane 1 of a motorway. He was about 20 mins late for a visit to us in Southampton, driving from Basingstoke. "I followed a mobile crane all the way here. Next time I won't take the motorway, it's too dangerous. All those lorries overtaking you all the time..."
I actually made an overtake on my driving test. Nothing dangerous about it!
If you're not confident in overtaking, then don't do it. Personally, I don't see it as a dangerous manouver at any speed so long as it is performed on a straight with no hidden dips. Even if the person in front is breaking the speed limit you may as well overtake them(if you've got the torque) when it is safe to do so.
I almost always get flashed by the car I overtake these days.
I drive lots of country lanes, and you have to overtake to get anywhere, but I cannot understand the light flashing.
It's like drivers are now so emancipated that even overtaking is frowned upon as being illegal - it's not !
I drive lots of country lanes, and you have to overtake to get anywhere, but I cannot understand the light flashing.
It's like drivers are now so emancipated that even overtaking is frowned upon as being illegal - it's not !
torquematters said:
If you're not confident in overtaking, then don't do it. Personally, I don't see it as a dangerous manouver at any speed so long as it is performed on a straight with no hidden dips. Even if the person in front is breaking the speed limit you may as well overtake them(if you've got the torque) when it is safe to do so.
Doesn't need to be straight as long as you have good visibility. Sharp corners can be a problem though as a lot of drivers will apex them or run wide if nothing is coming as they don't think to look behind.Gassing Station | Advanced Driving | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff