Associate Just Passed Her IAM Test.
Discussion
I've been Observing a lady for a good while now - with whom even she would agree progress was somewhat, err, slow.
She's just passed her IAM Advanced Test.
I am absolutely made up for her as it was a real effort.
Sometimes there is a reward for good deeds done. I am feeling...
<smug>Goes to make a celebratory cup of tea.</smug>
Keep at it, everyone. There are good days.
She's just passed her IAM Advanced Test.
I am absolutely made up for her as it was a real effort.
Sometimes there is a reward for good deeds done. I am feeling...
<smug>Goes to make a celebratory cup of tea.</smug>
Keep at it, everyone. There are good days.
PeteG said:
You had to make your own celebratory cuppa? 
When I get my finger out and fix my car, I'm aiming for Gold, then I'm considering going for the observer training... Rospa of course.
Good for you! I did Rospa after I got my IAM. Done the test twice and got two Golds so happy with that. I don't observe for the local Rospa group, though, as I do more than enough for my local IAM lot!When I get my finger out and fix my car, I'm aiming for Gold, then I'm considering going for the observer training... Rospa of course.
What does the senior observer test entail compared to becoming a normal observer? I'm guessing from your comment that there are more people watching you. I was asked to become an observer when I passed my test but I didn't feel I had the experience (I'd only passed my DSA test five months earlier) and now I haven't even bothered renewing my membership, partly because of the speed limiter thing but mainly because I didn't feel I was getting any use out of being a member.
Anyway, well done again; I've done a bit of teaching in another discipline and I know it's very satisfying when people pass their test.
Anyway, well done again; I've done a bit of teaching in another discipline and I know it's very satisfying when people pass their test.
SamHH said:
What does the senior observer test entail compared to becoming a normal observer? I'm guessing from your comment that there are more people watching you. I was asked to become an observer when I passed my test but I didn't feel I had the experience (I'd only passed my DSA test five months earlier) and now I haven't even bothered renewing my membership, partly because of the speed limiter thing but mainly because I didn't feel I was getting any use out of being a member.
Anyway, well done again; I've done a bit of teaching in another discipline and I know it's very satisfying when people pass their test.
The Senior Observer test comprises an Examiner watching you Observe an Associate followed by you doing a demonstration drive for the Examiner and Associate to a very high standard - it must be "beyond reproach" (I think that's the term used) and also it must be instructive in that someone sitting in would actually be able to learn from it.Anyway, well done again; I've done a bit of teaching in another discipline and I know it's very satisfying when people pass their test.
You won't need a four seater car to go for the senior test, neither will you need a manual.
You will go on a normal observed run with your candidate,it doesn't matter what stage your candidate is at, although the staff examiner will need to know what stage you think they are at, the staff examiner will be in the back of the candidates car, so they need a four seater.
If your candidate has a two seater, borrow a candidate from another observer.
You be coaching your candidate as normal, the staff examiner will be watching both of you, but of course is interested mainly in you.
You will then take the staff examiner on a demo drive in your car (without the candidate), on a route of your choice, best behaviour, the full works.
At the debrief he will give you his decision.
I hope that helps.
You will go on a normal observed run with your candidate,it doesn't matter what stage your candidate is at, although the staff examiner will need to know what stage you think they are at, the staff examiner will be in the back of the candidates car, so they need a four seater.
If your candidate has a two seater, borrow a candidate from another observer.
You be coaching your candidate as normal, the staff examiner will be watching both of you, but of course is interested mainly in you.
You will then take the staff examiner on a demo drive in your car (without the candidate), on a route of your choice, best behaviour, the full works.
At the debrief he will give you his decision.
I hope that helps.
Edited by Nigel Worc's on Thursday 5th March 01:42
Nigel Worc's said:
You won't need a four seater car to go for the senior test, neither will you need a manual.
You will go on a normal observed run with your candidate,it doesn't matter what stage your candidate is at, although the staff examiner will need to know what stage you think they are at, the staff examiner will be in the back of the candidates car, so they need a four seater.
If your candidate has a two seater, borrow a candidate from another observer.
You be coaching your candidate as normal, the staff examiner will be watching both of you, but of course is interested mainly in you.
You will then take the staff examiner on a demo drive in your car (without the candidate), on a route of your choice, best behaviour, the full works.
At the debrief he will give you his decision.
I hope that helps.
If it worked like that it would be no problem. My group is under the impression that both the Associate and the Observer need four seater cars so the examiner can sit in on the Observation and the Associate can sit in on the demo.You will go on a normal observed run with your candidate,it doesn't matter what stage your candidate is at, although the staff examiner will need to know what stage you think they are at, the staff examiner will be in the back of the candidates car, so they need a four seater.
If your candidate has a two seater, borrow a candidate from another observer.
You be coaching your candidate as normal, the staff examiner will be watching both of you, but of course is interested mainly in you.
You will then take the staff examiner on a demo drive in your car (without the candidate), on a route of your choice, best behaviour, the full works.
At the debrief he will give you his decision.
I hope that helps.
But you've raised a good point - and I might just see if I can get my group to ask the question of the Examiner.
Nigel Worc's said:
I can only tell you what mine was like, as I am a senior observer.
I cannot imagine why anyone would want the associate in the back of your car, it'd look marvelous if for some reason you didn't achieve senior standard !
I cannot imagine why anyone would want the associate in the back of your car, it'd look marvelous if for some reason you didn't achieve senior standard !
ABSOLUTELY! And thanks for the info, Nigel, it's appreciated.
Don said:
If it worked like that it would be no problem. My group is under the impression that both the Associate and the Observer need four seater cars so the examiner can sit in on the Observation and the Associate can sit in on the demo.
The IAM publication "Observer Qualification - A Guide", clearly states on page 6 (4th edition):"Both the Senior Observer Test and Re-qualifying test will be in two parts:
1. 45 minutes observing a Group Associate driving/riding towards the standard specified in PYADT (sic).
2. 45 minutes giving a demonstration drive (without the Associate) at the appropriate standard specified."
Seems clear enough. Although you do get Groups that make up their own rules as the publication is "only" a "guide".
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