Strange little tips that make a big difference

Strange little tips that make a big difference

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Chris71

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21,545 posts

248 months

Tuesday 20th January 2009
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Have you noticed any seemingly insignificant tips that make a big difference to your driving?

I read in a magazine recently that you should try and 'push' the steering, by applying the force with your hand on the outside of the turn (ie push the steering wheel predominantly with your right hand for a left hand bend, rather hand pulling it with the left). I tried it this morning and it really does seem to improve the feel during turn in (may be wishful thinking, but it seemed that way).

A related one was to try and steer a constant radius once you're into the turn. I have a [bad] habbit of taking repeated bites at a corner and it really smothers the feedback, compared to keep the steering steady.

So, any others?

S. Gonzales Esq.

2,557 posts

218 months

Tuesday 20th January 2009
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I'll try that first one - I'm usually pulling rather than pushing, so it'll be different.

Taking bites at a corner could suggest that you're not looking far enough ahead - if your concentration is too close to the car you'll end up making constant corrections. Try noting where you're looking, and raise your eyeline to the exit of the corner and beyond.

7db

6,058 posts

236 months

Tuesday 20th January 2009
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Everyone's an idiot. Including you. (Thanks SD)

Works for me on a daily basis in London traffic.

StressedDave

841 posts

268 months

Tuesday 20th January 2009
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I'd forgotten passing that one on... hehe

Here's a few more:

1) There's no such thing as half-pregnant (to be used in overtaking situations about getting out for a good look)

2) When in doubt add power before censoreding around with the steering

Live It

6,404 posts

222 months

Tuesday 20th January 2009
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One of the best things I read on here was after completing an overtake, look to see the whole car in your centre mirror. Don't know why, but it feels so much safer.

7mike

3,075 posts

199 months

Tuesday 20th January 2009
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Everything with driving is black & white.

.....but we drive on the grey bit in the middle.

flemke

22,945 posts

243 months

Tuesday 20th January 2009
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Chris71 said:
Have you noticed any seemingly insignificant tips that make a big difference to your driving?

I read in a magazine recently that you should try and 'push' the steering, by applying the force with your hand on the outside of the turn (ie push the steering wheel predominantly with your right hand for a left hand bend, rather hand pulling it with the left). I tried it this morning and it really does seem to improve the feel during turn in (may be wishful thinking, but it seemed that way).

A related one was to try and steer a constant radius once you're into the turn. I have a [bad] habbit of taking repeated bites at a corner and it really smothers the feedback, compared to keep the steering steady.

So, any others?
Just to be a PITA:

Mario Andretti used to say that, in steering, you ought to have your inside hand be the dominant one. His reason was that the muscles in use for that pulling movement (inner arm and bicep) were more sensitive and controllable than the muscles used for pushing (tricep and shoulder).

Constant radius steering is elegant and satisfying, and can provide good exercise for developing hand/eye coordination (put fixed lock on here, hold it, and see how close you come to arriving at apex there). The nearer you are to the limit of grip, however, the more that discontinuities in the road surface (bumps, camber changes) will demand frequent steering corrections. This practice is most obvious in in-car racing videos, where the drivers will be near the limit of grip the whole time, and almost constantly making steering adjustments.

7db

6,058 posts

236 months

Tuesday 20th January 2009
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StressedDave said:
I'd forgotten passing that one on... hehe
Well I think in fairness it might have been:-

You're an idiot.
Oh.
Er.
And so is everyone else.

It just makes you sound more of a sage my way round... biggrinbiggrin

firstmk1

82 posts

222 months

Tuesday 20th January 2009
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"Come on, enjoy your car" HN during a recent 2 1/2 day driving course

Jungles

3,587 posts

227 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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Chris71 said:
Have you noticed any seemingly insignificant tips that make a big difference to your driving?

I read in a magazine recently that you should try and 'push' the steering, by applying the force with your hand on the outside of the turn (ie push the steering wheel predominantly with your right hand for a left hand bend, rather hand pulling it with the left). I tried it this morning and it really does seem to improve the feel during turn in (may be wishful thinking, but it seemed that way).

A related one was to try and steer a constant radius once you're into the turn. I have a [bad] habbit of taking repeated bites at a corner and it really smothers the feedback, compared to keep the steering steady.

So, any others?
That steering tip was something I learned from karting. You don't push to start with though. You still start with a pull, but as your outside hand (eg. the right hand in a left turn) rises toward the top of the wheel, you switch dominance to that hand. This results in better steering stability, firmer control over the rotation, and the ability to rapidly reverse the lock in the event of oversteer. Particularly useful if you don't have supportive seats.

Something from me:

When upchanging, leave a tiny bit of throttle on instead of releasing the accelerator pedal completely. I used to have an aweful time matching revs. This helped me maintain feel of the throttle, at the expense of longer gearshifts (but my shifts used to be needlessly fast anyway).

Edited by Jungles on Wednesday 21st January 00:10

gazza_3

6,394 posts

214 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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Don't crash hehe.


Also drive at a speed which means you can stop in the distance you can see. Alot of non advanced people forget that.

Edited by gazza_3 on Wednesday 21st January 01:09

Chris71

Original Poster:

21,545 posts

248 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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flemke said:
Chris71 said:
Have you noticed any seemingly insignificant tips that make a big difference to your driving?

I read in a magazine recently that you should try and 'push' the steering, by applying the force with your hand on the outside of the turn (ie push the steering wheel predominantly with your right hand for a left hand bend, rather hand pulling it with the left). I tried it this morning and it really does seem to improve the feel during turn in (may be wishful thinking, but it seemed that way).

A related one was to try and steer a constant radius once you're into the turn. I have a [bad] habbit of taking repeated bites at a corner and it really smothers the feedback, compared to keep the steering steady.

So, any others?
Just to be a PITA:

Mario Andretti used to say that, in steering, you ought to have your inside hand be the dominant one. His reason was that the muscles in use for that pulling movement (inner arm and bicep) were more sensitive and controllable than the muscles used for pushing (tricep and shoulder).

Constant radius steering is elegant and satisfying, and can provide good exercise for developing hand/eye coordination (put fixed lock on here, hold it, and see how close you come to arriving at apex there). The nearer you are to the limit of grip, however, the more that discontinuities in the road surface (bumps, camber changes) will demand frequent steering corrections. This practice is most obvious in in-car racing videos, where the drivers will be near the limit of grip the whole time, and almost constantly making steering adjustments.
Interesting comment there from Mario Andretti. Of course it is possible I've just got push and pull the wrong way round!

The biggest benefit I found to constant radius steering was that it improved my perception of the feedback - that way it isn't distorted by steering input. On the road I'm not usually close enough to the limit to require any adjustment, but I do find it gives me a better idea of how far the tyres are from their limit of traction.

RT106

734 posts

205 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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Live It said:
One of the best things I read on here was after completing an overtake, look to see the whole car in your centre mirror. Don't know why, but it feels so much safer.
Me too; that one always stands out as the most useful piece of advice I've read on here.

henrycrun

2,461 posts

246 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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When looking to join at RAs and Junctions scan ALL of the road and not just where you are EXPECTING traffic to emerge from

firstmk1

82 posts

222 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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The decision not to overtake is never wrong.

Edited by firstmk1 on Thursday 22 January 20:51

GravelBen

15,850 posts

236 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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Something my father told me when I was first learning to drive:

"Always be prepared to meet yourself coming the other way"

Huff

3,216 posts

197 months

Wednesday 21st January 2009
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firstmk1 said:
The decision not to overtake is never wrong.
Thanks, that's a good one I try to live by / wish more drivers would recognise. I've nothing against 'making progress', its the inappropriate overtake that I'm wary off (and hate meeting on the road).


My 'strange' little tip - make sure your seated position is comfy / in the right place every time.Just something I've become more critical of recently, but keeping it exactly right makes a heckuva difference in how a drive proceeds.

BOR

4,809 posts

261 months

Thursday 22nd January 2009
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1. To change down a gear (not while braking) don't move your accelerator pedal AT ALL, just dip clutch and move gearlever. This automatically rev matches down to the next gear.

2. Try starting your steering input far earlier and far slower. Someone on the Forum used the expression "Hinting At The Corner". Makes the transition into the corner a lot smoother.

(I personally disagree with the idea of treating every other road user as an idiot)

GreenV8S

30,421 posts

290 months

Thursday 22nd January 2009
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BOR said:
(I personally disagree with the idea of treating every other road user as an idiot)
I agree - they aren't idiots, they really are out to get you.

Mr POD

5,153 posts

198 months

Thursday 22nd January 2009
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firstmk1 said:
The decision not to overtake is never wrong.
Which seems to have been retranslated as "It's wrong to overtake"