Overtaking Parked Cars on Narrow Roads

Overtaking Parked Cars on Narrow Roads

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henrycrun

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2,461 posts

246 months

Monday 24th November 2008
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What does the law actually say about this ?

I've always assumed that commonsense suggests that one waits behind a parked car until it is safe to pass. However these days I see that those exercising such patience are in the minority, and many more are happy to force oncoming traffic to stop in order to let them by.

What does the team think ?

Mroad

829 posts

221 months

Monday 24th November 2008
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If the "obstacle" to get around is in your lane/side of the road then you give way to oncoming traffic and only pass when safe to do so. You should not overtake if it may cause oncoming traffic to swerve or slow down. It's the same for all overtaking whether the "obstacle" is stationary or not.
Anyone who doesn't do that hasn't read the Highway code.

PeteG

4,274 posts

217 months

Monday 24th November 2008
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It's common sense really - though the book says you have priority, it's no good being right but dead. If the obstruction is on the other side, take a bold position - towards the centre line - but be prepared to give up space, through sidewyas movement or braking, if the other driver is intent on coming through anyway.
If the obstruction is on your side, move out early, ideally as soon as you see a- the obstruction, b- you've checked for fast moving vehicles who may wish to overtake you and c- there's no junction or similar that's likely to make you move back in again.
Depending on the vision available, I'll either move to the centreline on approach (if there's, say, a bend ahead with the possibility of an oncoming), and take the final move when I know it to be safe, or if I can see that it's oging to be safe for the duration, take a nice smooth move out as far as I need to pass, bearing in mind door opening, peds stepping out, etc.

HTH

BertBert

19,534 posts

217 months

Monday 24th November 2008
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This has become endemic as far as I can see in our me, first culture. One car goes by the obstacle on their side of the road, then each car behind follows using the "cover" of the car they are following! I come across it in one place on my morning drive every day! I quite like creeping forward reducing the space until the oncoming traffic has to stop and then we have a horrible mess to sort out! Probably, not a very "advanced" approach biggrin

Bert

p1esk

4,914 posts

202 months

Monday 24th November 2008
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henrycrun said:
What does the law actually say about this ?

I've always assumed that commonsense suggests that one waits behind a parked car until it is safe to pass. However these days I see that those exercising such patience are in the minority, and many more are happy to force oncoming traffic to stop in order to let them by.

What does the team think ?
I don't think I've ever had much difficulty with this. Almost invariably I have found people to behave quite decently.

However, having said that, I had a bit of a surprise a few days ago. On a road near where I live (edge of village, 30 mph zone, single carriageway road of fairly normal width) I pulled out slightly to pass a parked car on my side of the road. The parked car was partially off the road, so it wasn't a full car width type of obstruction. Anyhow, it meant that I put my offside wheels on, or maybe slightly over, the centre-line, and received a headlight flash from the driver coming the other way.

I can only assume he was miffed at me moving over a bit, but it didn't actually require him to do anything to compensate for what I'd done. He continued to drive down the middle of his lane, and there really wasn't a problem, but had the roles been reversed I would have moved left a little to give him more space to pass the parked car. I don't think I did anything unreasonable but he seemed to want to protest.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

PeteG

4,274 posts

217 months

Monday 24th November 2008
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p1esk said:
...had the roles been reversed I would have moved left a little to give him more space to pass the parked car...
This is something of a lost art, I find...

p1esk

4,914 posts

202 months

Monday 24th November 2008
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PeteG said:
p1esk said:
...had the roles been reversed I would have moved left a little to give him more space to pass the parked car...
This is something of a lost art, I find...
Yes, I'm afraid so. What I find usually happens is that if the obstruction is on my side, the oncomer will go through the middle of the gap, and not think to share the available space with me. Obviously we need to ensure that everybody has adequate clearance - none of this mirror brushing stuff - but I think there are nicer ways of doing it than what we sometimes see.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

LeoSayer

7,366 posts

250 months

Tuesday 25th November 2008
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If traffic is slow, eg in a 30 limit then I generally try to judge whether I will reach the parked car before someone else coming towards me, regardless of which side of the road the parked car is on.

If I think I can reach it first then I will get into the appropriate lane early so the oncoming driver can see what my intention is and then go past the parked car.

It's sort of a first come first served attitude.

waremark

3,250 posts

219 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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LeoSayer said:
It's sort of a first come first served attitude.
Do you think that is justifiable, if the parked car is on your side of the road?

7db

6,058 posts

236 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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Look for cooperation -- either dominant or submissive -- and show early enough that you can abort. Be prepared to change your plan if the subsequently revealed facts don't fit it.


LeoSayer

7,366 posts

250 months

Wednesday 26th November 2008
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waremark said:
LeoSayer said:
It's sort of a first come first served attitude.
Do you think that is justifiable, if the parked car is on your side of the road?
Yes, if the circumstances are right. There are so many roads where I live where the centre line is rendered almost pointless due to parked cars.

I don't treat it as a race, never try to intimidate anyone into submission and always move into the other lane well in advance to give oncoming drivers sufficient warning. Of course, I won't make the manouvre if I judge that it will cause problems for the oncoming driver or any other road users.

Likewise, if an oncoming driver makes a move to overtake in front of me then I will happily back off or brake to let him complete the manouvre. Often, that will mean that both cars can keep moving, rather than one coming to a complete stop.

There is always a risk that oncoming drivers could take offence to the manouvre, but equally drivers behind me could take offence for me not making adequate progress.

raf_gti

4,092 posts

212 months

Friday 5th December 2008
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On my HGV course we were taught that if there is enough room for two cars, even if the other person is using the whole space is to simply move on out and the other car will have to move into the side. It was absolutely not taught as a 'bullying' move for that would fail the test but to simply make progress, otherwise in a truck you could be there for god knows how long as you lack the 'zippiness' of a car.

In a car if there is only space for one I'm generally quite happy to wait as long it is on a fair 'two cars this way, two cars that way' basis. It is when you get a situation of people refusing to let anybody through that I can imagine frustration arises. I found drivers in Oxon to be very bad for that.

msm4u2pom

13 posts

190 months

Tuesday 16th December 2008
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henrycrun said:
What does the law actually say about this ?

I've always assumed that commonsense suggests that one waits behind a parked car until it is safe to pass. However these days I see that those exercising such patience are in the minority, and many more are happy to force oncoming traffic to stop in order to let them by.

What does the team think ?
It's not actually law, but the advice is that if the obstruction is on your side of the road, then you should give way; if both sides of the road are restricted, the safest thing to do is stop (because you take control of the situation). Beware of flashing lights - remember that the signal may not be for you.

I totally agree with you, and it's left to us to do the thinking for these people. Best of luck!