RoadCraft

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thebullettrain

Original Poster:

1,044 posts

245 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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I am considering taking the advanced driving test and in any event I have been recommended ‘Roadcraft’ to improve my driving awareness.

Do any PHs have views on the book?


Six Fiend

6,067 posts

221 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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Yes, read it, lots and put it into practice. You can't do it like a novel thoough. Do it section by section.

I've been using it for 17 years now. Always made sure my trainess (cars & bikes) read it and used it as a reference book.

You won't pass a test if you don't smile

Poledriver

28,764 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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And it's quite cheap on Amazon!

Don

28,377 posts

290 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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Yes. It's the Bible. Buy it. Read it. Do it.

If you need help putting it into practice that is what your local Rospa ADA or IAM Group is for.

anonymous-user

60 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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The book and it's teaching is good, although (cat amongst pigeon time) I found the actual IAM methods in practise a little confusing/contradictory and evidently open to zero discussion. Eg, I used a Land Rover for the assessed drives, and by definition it has a very low first gear. Despite this I was marked down for changing up too soon. Next time, left it bouncing off the rev limiter until I cleared a junction (granted, it was to prove a point), and got knocked back for poor gear selection.
I found taking HGV/C+E did far more for my driving.
And allowing a vehicle to slow simply by backing off the revs a bit instead of standing on the brakes almost saw me excommunicated.
Never bothered finishing the course although I have had a few ad-hoc sessions with a traffic cop mate and he has few criticisms. I've not crashed yet either.

shadowninja

77,397 posts

288 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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Yes, great book. I like the twist in the plot at the end. nuts

Makes you think about your driving. Anyone who drives should read it.

jesta1865

3,448 posts

215 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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shadowninja said:
Yes, great book. I like the twist in the plot at the end. nuts

Makes you think about your driving. Anyone who drives should read it.
i would like to shove a copy down the throat of the idiot in the mundane estate this morning who cut me up on a roundabout then wagged his finger at me when i beeped at him and questioned his sexual practices smile

i read this when i had just passed the test (my dad bought it for me) and it helped me masses.

Martin A

344 posts

249 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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Flawed in detail and to be read as a guide to primarily driving safely rather than swiftly.

Poledriver

28,764 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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Martin A said:
Flawed in detail and to be read as a guide to primarily driving safely rather than swiftly.
But one does not necessarily exclude the other!

Don

28,377 posts

290 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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Martin A said:
Flawed in detail and to be read as a guide to primarily driving safely rather than swiftly.
Since it's your business I'll just ask - what details do you think are flawed?

Agree totally about its focus which is on driving safely compromising anything else including speed to achieve that if necessary.

Don

28,377 posts

290 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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Poledriver said:
Martin A said:
Flawed in detail and to be read as a guide to primarily driving safely rather than swiftly.
But one does not necessarily exclude the other!
Also agree with that!

7mike

3,075 posts

199 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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jesta1865 said:
shadowninja said:
Yes, great book. I like the twist in the plot at the end. nuts

Makes you think about your driving. Anyone who drives should read it.
i would like to shove a copy down the throat of the idiot in the mundane estate this morning who cut me up on a roundabout then wagged his finger at me when i beeped at him and questioned his sexual practices smile

i read this when i had just passed the test (my dad bought it for me) and it helped me masses.
But you missed "Never use the horn to challenge or rebuke other road users" page 103 (page 96 in the previous edition). Incidently the new edition as an interesting revised 1st chapter devoted to attitude & behaviour.

Edited by 7mike on Wednesday 22 October 20:31

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

217 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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Poledriver said:
Martin A said:
Flawed in detail and to be read as a guide to primarily driving safely rather than swiftly.
But one does not necessarily exclude the other!
Swiftly should never exclude safely.. The problem for many people (including some of my co-workers sometimes) is that often they don't go hand in hand.

You have to drive safely before you consider adding pace.

PeterA

97 posts

198 months

Thursday 23rd October 2008
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Completely agree with 'shadowninja' - makes you think about your driving.

Got my copy relatively recently and think it's helped my driving massively, becoming far more critical of myself (and learning from the experience) - realising my flaws and how I can improve.

Another consequence of reading the book is that I've become more critical of others. Which, I'm guessing, gets on their nerves a bit (other evening at the local was quite a good example - I made sure my point was heard).

This point needs repeating...

Don said:
It's the Bible. Buy it. Read it. Do it.

blackburnbmw

2,336 posts

204 months

Thursday 23rd October 2008
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PeterA said:
Completely agree with 'shadowninja' - makes you think about your driving.

Got my copy relatively recently and think it's helped my driving massively, becoming far more critical of myself (and learning from the experience) - realising my flaws and how I can improve.

Another consequence of reading the book is that I've become more critical of others. Which, I'm guessing, gets on their nerves a bit (other evening at the local was quite a good example - I made sure my point was heard).

This point needs repeating...

Don said:
It's the Bible. Buy it. Read it. Do it.
I think it is fair and useful to be critical of other drivers - as long as you take heed of what you are saying. It's no use grumbling about someone's motorway lane discipline for example, if your own is equally bad. Observe others and try to avoid their mistakes or bad habits in their own driving. Just the other night I was waiting at a traffic light controlled crossroads with a yellow hatched box inside it. A car pulled into the yellow area waiting to turn right. I mumbled to my wife that the driver shouldn't enter the yellow area until his exit was clear. She was unsure of the rules. When we got home I checked the Highway Code and realised I was wrong. Gotta keep learning and thinking...

p1esk

4,914 posts

202 months

Friday 24th October 2008
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Don said:
Yes. It's the Bible. Buy it. Read it. Do it.
Yes, but at the same time allow yourself a bit of flexibility. I don't think it would be right to try following it to the letter at all times, if after reasonable experience and consideration you feel that a slightly different technique would suit you better.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

Red Kite

3,358 posts

197 months

Friday 24th October 2008
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And do read some other books later too.

Big Fat F'r

1,232 posts

212 months

Monday 27th October 2008
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Crossflow Kid said:
And allowing a vehicle to slow simply by backing off the revs a bit instead of standing on the brakes almost saw me excommunicated.
I'm a bit surprised at that (unless it wasn't as simple a situation as you infer), as all advanced institutions, including IAM, teach and recommend acceleration sense, which specifically includes "allowing a vehicle to slow simply by backing off the revs a bit instead of standing on the brakes".

BFF

1950trevorP

117 posts

218 months

Monday 27th October 2008
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Ah, but "acceleration sense" only works if the vehicle is in a gear that enables it to be done.




tvrgit

8,473 posts

258 months

Monday 27th October 2008
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1950trevorP said:
Ah, but "acceleration sense" only works if the vehicle is in a gear that enables it to be done.
ah but "acceleration sense" means knowing whether or not you're in a gear where it WILL work!