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Hi everyone,
I think this is my first post in this forum so I'll start with a bit of an introduction: I'm 21, currently on a placement year in Chichester and going back to uni in September/October in Bath, anyway, whilst on my placement year I thought I'd take up the IAM (Chichester group) and get some more advanced driving skills
So time has flown by and I'm taking my test this Wednesday 
Just thought I'd post a general topic about tests and see if anyone can recommend any last minute tips that aren't generally taught but might get me some brownie points I'm specifically worried about the commentary bit so any special comments on that are welcomed, especially how to get started when I hear the words "right, I want you to start a commentary", once I'm into it, I'm generally ok and I'm not too worried because I've heard Reg say that bad commentary isn't a fail, but it can improve an average drive to a good one!!
Over to you....
Thanks, Arry
I think this is my first post in this forum so I'll start with a bit of an introduction: I'm 21, currently on a placement year in Chichester and going back to uni in September/October in Bath, anyway, whilst on my placement year I thought I'd take up the IAM (Chichester group) and get some more advanced driving skills
So time has flown by and I'm taking my test this Wednesday Just thought I'd post a general topic about tests and see if anyone can recommend any last minute tips that aren't generally taught but might get me some brownie points
I'm specifically worried about the commentary bit so any special comments on that are welcomed, especially how to get started when I hear the words "right, I want you to start a commentary", once I'm into it, I'm generally ok and I'm not too worried because I've heard Reg say that bad commentary isn't a fail, but it can improve an average drive to a good one!!Over to you....
Thanks, Arry
Hello, and congratulations for taking this up when I wish I had!! Firstly, good luck with the test. Your observer wouldn't have put you in for it if they didn't think you were ready.
Tips:
Reverse into the car parking space where you arrange to meet. This will get you one manouvre in the bag before you even shake hands and will state you know what you are doing.
Cockpit drill, systematic, checking everything. Do this every morning and night (stopping drill) until the test.
Commentary:
When asked, set the scene. Road conditions, traffi density, anything immediately special e.g. schools, shopping high street, lots of pedestrians etc. State the most important things first, then go down to those less important.
Watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVtQ4NN5_-Q
An absolutely excellent video, I've watched it a dozen or so times and pick up something different every time.
Lastly, relax. Relax relax relax. The examinier should not be trying to catch you out, but put you in every situation to assess your process through it. If that takes in some tricky/unsighted junctions then you must be prepared for it.
Good luck, I'm sure you'll be fine!
Andy
Tips:
Reverse into the car parking space where you arrange to meet. This will get you one manouvre in the bag before you even shake hands and will state you know what you are doing.
Cockpit drill, systematic, checking everything. Do this every morning and night (stopping drill) until the test.
Commentary:
When asked, set the scene. Road conditions, traffi density, anything immediately special e.g. schools, shopping high street, lots of pedestrians etc. State the most important things first, then go down to those less important.
Watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVtQ4NN5_-Q
An absolutely excellent video, I've watched it a dozen or so times and pick up something different every time.
Lastly, relax. Relax relax relax. The examinier should not be trying to catch you out, but put you in every situation to assess your process through it. If that takes in some tricky/unsighted junctions then you must be prepared for it.
Good luck, I'm sure you'll be fine!
Andy
Edited by LaSarthe+Back on Saturday 28th June 23:30
arryb said:
Hi everyone,
I think this is my first post in this forum so I'll start with a bit of an introduction: I'm 21, currently on a placement year in Chichester and going back to uni in September/October in Bath, anyway, whilst on my placement year I thought I'd take up the IAM (Chichester group) and get some more advanced driving skills So time has flown by and I'm taking my test this Wednesday
Just thought I'd post a general topic about tests and see if anyone can recommend any last minute tips that aren't generally taught but might get me some brownie points I'm specifically worried about the commentary bit so any special comments on that are welcomed, especially how to get started when I hear the words "right, I want you to start a commentary", once I'm into it, I'm generally ok and I'm not too worried because I've heard Reg say that bad commentary isn't a fail, but it can improve an average drive to a good one!!
Over to you....
Thanks, Arry
Hi and welcome.I think this is my first post in this forum so I'll start with a bit of an introduction: I'm 21, currently on a placement year in Chichester and going back to uni in September/October in Bath, anyway, whilst on my placement year I thought I'd take up the IAM (Chichester group) and get some more advanced driving skills
So time has flown by and I'm taking my test this Wednesday Just thought I'd post a general topic about tests and see if anyone can recommend any last minute tips that aren't generally taught but might get me some brownie points
I'm specifically worried about the commentary bit so any special comments on that are welcomed, especially how to get started when I hear the words "right, I want you to start a commentary", once I'm into it, I'm generally ok and I'm not too worried because I've heard Reg say that bad commentary isn't a fail, but it can improve an average drive to a good one!!Over to you....
Thanks, Arry
Well done for undertaking IAM training at your age.
Commentary, just vocalise your "driving plan".
Remembering that the "plan" is subject to modification if the situation warrants.
Always be thinking, never fall into "auto" mode and you'll be fine.
Good luck, not that you'll need it.
Because you've thought to post here and have obviously been lurking.
Check your vehicle before the Test, then you can genuinely say to the Examiner that you have ensured it is ok.
Oh, make sure your Examiner belts up before you start your engine to commence the Test.
If (s)he doesn't , ask them to.
Some, as mine did, use that as an initial marking point.
WhoseGeneration said:
Hi and welcome.
Well done for undertaking IAM training at your age.
Commentary, just vocalise your "driving plan".
Remembering that the "plan" is subject to modification if the situation warrants.
Always be thinking, never fall into "auto" mode and you'll be fine.
Good luck, not that you'll need it.
Because you've thought to post here and have obviously been lurking.
Check your vehicle before the Test, then you can genuinely say to the Examiner that you have ensured it is ok.
Oh, make sure your Examiner belts up before you start your engine to commence the Test.
If (s)he doesn't , ask them to.
Some, as mine did, use that as an initial marking point.
Thanks for that one, knew about the slightly open door trick, will add that one to the list - sly buggers Well done for undertaking IAM training at your age.
Commentary, just vocalise your "driving plan".
Remembering that the "plan" is subject to modification if the situation warrants.
Always be thinking, never fall into "auto" mode and you'll be fine.
Good luck, not that you'll need it.
Because you've thought to post here and have obviously been lurking.
Check your vehicle before the Test, then you can genuinely say to the Examiner that you have ensured it is ok.
Oh, make sure your Examiner belts up before you start your engine to commence the Test.
If (s)he doesn't , ask them to.
Some, as mine did, use that as an initial marking point.
In your commentary, mention EVERY traffic sign you see, including paint on the road surface - this prevents them asking 'what was the last sign we passed' and can almost be a commentary in itself...we are on a bus route, people waiting, so bus is behind us probably...wheelie bins out, look for truck...
Try to note where the kerbs are bevelled - not square - this normally means bevelled lets you off more easily for safety as there is no footpath...brownie point.
I would ask his opinion on putting seat belts on only after starting the engine...our mob teach this...some agree, some don't...at least the question might get you a point?
Look for foreign trucks 'He's on the inside so less chance of seeeing me in his mirrors'.
Get the Power check and Cabin check perfect, you only make a first impression one time...they are not out to trick you, they know you will be nervous and allow for it.
Good Luck,
BOF
Got this years ago - might help you?
The Most Common Faults Are............
Listed below are the main faults noted by our examiners; few of these faults would by themselves be sufficient to bring about a failure. We have analysed only the unsuccessful candidates but it should be remembered that those who did reach the standard made their mistakes too! We have yet to test the perfect driver!!
78% Hazard Procedure and Cornering: Incorrect assessment, poor safety margin.Unsystematic procedure.
72% Use of Gears: Late selection. Intermediate gears not used to advantage.
70% Positioning:Straddles lanes. Incorrect for right and left turns.
60% Braking:Late brake application. harsh handbrake application. Brake and change gear simultaneously.
58% Distance Observation: Late planning and assessment of traffic conditions.
48% Clutch Control: Ride clutch. Clutch slipping. Coasting.
40% Vehicle Sympathy: Not expressed in use of clutch, brakes and gears.
38% Gear Changing: Harsh selection. Changed down with relaxed accelerator.
38% Traffic Observation: Poor anticipation. Late reaction.
38% Overtaking: Too close prior to overtaking. On bends. In face of approaching traffic. Cutting in after overtaking.
36% Observation and Obedience: Failed to remember signs when requested. Failure to conform to STOP signs and/or Keep Left Signs.
28% Manoeuvering and Reversing: Lacked judgement and control.
26% Correct use of Speed: Excessive in country lanes. Failed to make adequate progress in 70mph areas.
22% Speed Limits: Exceeding speed limits.
20% Steering
Try to note where the kerbs are bevelled - not square - this normally means bevelled lets you off more easily for safety as there is no footpath...brownie point.
I would ask his opinion on putting seat belts on only after starting the engine...our mob teach this...some agree, some don't...at least the question might get you a point?
Look for foreign trucks 'He's on the inside so less chance of seeeing me in his mirrors'.
Get the Power check and Cabin check perfect, you only make a first impression one time...they are not out to trick you, they know you will be nervous and allow for it.
Good Luck,
BOF
Got this years ago - might help you?
The Most Common Faults Are............
Listed below are the main faults noted by our examiners; few of these faults would by themselves be sufficient to bring about a failure. We have analysed only the unsuccessful candidates but it should be remembered that those who did reach the standard made their mistakes too! We have yet to test the perfect driver!!
78% Hazard Procedure and Cornering: Incorrect assessment, poor safety margin.Unsystematic procedure.
72% Use of Gears: Late selection. Intermediate gears not used to advantage.
70% Positioning:Straddles lanes. Incorrect for right and left turns.
60% Braking:Late brake application. harsh handbrake application. Brake and change gear simultaneously.
58% Distance Observation: Late planning and assessment of traffic conditions.
48% Clutch Control: Ride clutch. Clutch slipping. Coasting.
40% Vehicle Sympathy: Not expressed in use of clutch, brakes and gears.
38% Gear Changing: Harsh selection. Changed down with relaxed accelerator.
38% Traffic Observation: Poor anticipation. Late reaction.
38% Overtaking: Too close prior to overtaking. On bends. In face of approaching traffic. Cutting in after overtaking.
36% Observation and Obedience: Failed to remember signs when requested. Failure to conform to STOP signs and/or Keep Left Signs.
28% Manoeuvering and Reversing: Lacked judgement and control.
26% Correct use of Speed: Excessive in country lanes. Failed to make adequate progress in 70mph areas.
22% Speed Limits: Exceeding speed limits.
20% Steering
Edited by BOF on Sunday 29th June 10:36
BOF said:
I would ask his opinion on putting seat belts on only after starting the engine...our mob teach this...some agree, some don't...at least the question might get you a point?
BOF
Tell your "mob" to realise that airbags are, like all systems, susceptible to failure.BOF
Edited by BOF on Sunday 29th June 10:36
I will never have even only ignition on, in an airbag equipped vehicle, without seat belts being fastened.
We are at the stage where the majority of vehicles have, at least, a driver's airbag.
Oh and make sure none have seat covers on side airbag equipped vehicles.
Then, also, ensure no one in a vehicle with curtain airbags leans towards their offside.
Meaning, as they "nod off" and they slouch towards the door.
BOF said:
I was referring to the discussion, among various Trafpols and IAM and RoSPA Examiners, about the safety apsect of having a seatbelt on in the case of an ignition induced engine fire.
Not something invented by my mob...just a comment...
BOF.
I'm assuming this is the argument of, seat belt on first in case of shunt whilst still stationary with the engine off and seatbelt on last for engine fire? I've been taught seatbelt on last but I will definitely bring it up with the tester as something to break the ice and settle me down a bit, thanks for the suggestion Not something invented by my mob...just a comment...
BOF.
Yes,
""seatbelt on last for engine fire?""
As stated above, not 'telling' you anything, just introducing a possible topic for discussion...I can't see where I would be in a car without my seatbelt on in any other circumstance.
Just in case you get a 'picky' Examiner...do you know...
Stopping distances at 30 - 50 -70?
Current laws regarding ages of seat belt responsibilty?
Minimum legal depth of tyre tread?
BOF.
""seatbelt on last for engine fire?""
As stated above, not 'telling' you anything, just introducing a possible topic for discussion...I can't see where I would be in a car without my seatbelt on in any other circumstance.
Just in case you get a 'picky' Examiner...do you know...
Stopping distances at 30 - 50 -70?
Current laws regarding ages of seat belt responsibilty?
Minimum legal depth of tyre tread?
BOF.
LaSarthe+Back said:
Hello, and congratulations for taking this up when I wish I had!! Firstly, good luck with the test. Your observer wouldn't have put you in for it if they didn't think you were ready.
Tips:
Reverse into the car parking space where you arrange to meet. This will get you one manouvre in the bag before you even shake hands and will state you know what you are doing.
Cockpit drill, systematic, checking everything. Do this every morning and night (stopping drill) until the test.
Commentary:
When asked, set the scene. Road conditions, traffi density, anything immediately special e.g. schools, shopping high street, lots of pedestrians etc. State the most important things first, then go down to those less important.
Watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVtQ4NN5_-Q
An absolutely excellent video, I've watched it a dozen or so times and pick up something different every time.
Lastly, relax. Relax relax relax. The examinier should not be trying to catch you out, but put you in every situation to assess your process through it. If that takes in some tricky/unsighted junctions then you must be prepared for it.
Good luck, I'm sure you'll be fine!
Andy
Tips:
Reverse into the car parking space where you arrange to meet. This will get you one manouvre in the bag before you even shake hands and will state you know what you are doing.
Cockpit drill, systematic, checking everything. Do this every morning and night (stopping drill) until the test.
Commentary:
When asked, set the scene. Road conditions, traffi density, anything immediately special e.g. schools, shopping high street, lots of pedestrians etc. State the most important things first, then go down to those less important.
Watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVtQ4NN5_-Q
An absolutely excellent video, I've watched it a dozen or so times and pick up something different every time.
Lastly, relax. Relax relax relax. The examinier should not be trying to catch you out, but put you in every situation to assess your process through it. If that takes in some tricky/unsighted junctions then you must be prepared for it.
Good luck, I'm sure you'll be fine!
Andy
Edited by LaSarthe+Back on Saturday 28th June 23:30
Wow that's some video
.You can buy the DVD by the driver - Chris Gilbert - Ultimate Driving Craft at www.driving4tomorrow.com runs for 100 minutes.
BOF
(Drives for 100 minutes..in case of smart arse comments :-))
BOF
(Drives for 100 minutes..in case of smart arse comments :-))
Good luck with this and lots of very useful tips in this thread but don't let them all overwhelm you. A lot of advanced driving is just polishing up what you already do and common sense. There are literally hundreds of little tips and tricks of the trade but no one will expect you to match the experienced Class one driver who is probably doing the examining. Safety, System and Smoothness is the key to success. The beauty of advanced driving is that you tend to self analyse and never stop learning or seeking to improve your techniques rather than degenerate like Mr Average.. Remember that even the best make mistakes and no one knows it all. Another myth is that AD is all about speed. It isnt, it is about safe progressive driving according to the conditions, if things are getting a bit hurried and iffy, lose a few miles an hour and it should all come back together. The examiner will see this. Relax enjoy and let us know how you get on.
Edited by Jules2477 on Wednesday 2nd July 15:29
arryb said:
I PASSED 
Actually enjoyed the drive and the examiner made all the difference, made me feel very relaxed and I think it showed in my driving
Congratulations -that's a great achievement! Actually enjoyed the drive and the examiner made all the difference, made me feel very relaxed and I think it showed in my driving Did you take the test in your Polo? I would be interested to know your experience of how diesels respond to advanced driving. I've just joined the IAM and have an 1992 Golf TD, which admittedly isn't exactly performance orientated!
Nurburgring said:
arryb said:
I PASSED Actually enjoyed the drive and the examiner made all the difference, made me feel very relaxed and I think it showed in my driving
Congratulations -that's a great achievement! Actually enjoyed the drive and the examiner made all the difference, made me feel very relaxed and I think it showed in my driving Did you take the test in your Polo? I would be interested to know your experience of how diesels respond to advanced driving. I've just joined the IAM and have an 1992 Golf TD, which admittedly isn't exactly performance orientated!
arryb said:
I PASSED Actually enjoyed the drive and the examiner made all the difference, made me feel very relaxed and I think it showed in my driving
Well done and congratulations, result. Actually enjoyed the drive and the examiner made all the difference, made me feel very relaxed and I think it showed in my driving Keep in that frame of mind for your driving from now on.
Whatever the Leptons, that approach will keep you and others safe.
Maybe consider becoming an Observer, to assist others?.
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