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I'd like to do an advanced driving course. What I WANT from it is better observation and car control skills allowing me to 'make progress' safer and maybe faster. What I DONT WANT is to learn how to MOT the car every time i drive to the shops 
or 'feed the wheel' and 'use the brakes, the're cheaper than a clutch' type of stuff, which i disagree with.
Reading this forum on and off for a while now and i think i should 'do' rospa or more likely HPC but has anyone outside of this forum heard of hpc? i hadn't.
Ive had a look at the hpc (club) web site but whats the score? assesment/lessons/observation in the evenings or weekends? the hpc (course) website doesnt work which doesnt inspire much confidence
lots of questions i know, appologies if i missed the answers already, feel free to point me to another thread if its already been done.
cheers
or 'feed the wheel' and 'use the brakes, the're cheaper than a clutch' type of stuff, which i disagree with. Reading this forum on and off for a while now and i think i should 'do' rospa or more likely HPC but has anyone outside of this forum heard of hpc? i hadn't.
Ive had a look at the hpc (club) web site but whats the score? assesment/lessons/observation in the evenings or weekends? the hpc (course) website doesnt work which doesnt inspire much confidence
lots of questions i know, appologies if i missed the answers already, feel free to point me to another thread if its already been done.
cheers
Edited by francisb on Friday 23 June 11:43
www.hpc.org.uk/
www.donpalmer.co.uk/
www.cadence.co.uk/
Try those.
Or if you don't want to join HPC you could try www.john-lyon.co.uk/courses.htm
www.donpalmer.co.uk/
www.cadence.co.uk/
Try those.
Or if you don't want to join HPC you could try www.john-lyon.co.uk/courses.htm
Edited by Rick448 on Friday 23 June 12:58
I can recommend these guys> www.mac-hq.co.uk/default.asp
They're almost all ex-Police driving instuctors and have pretty much national coverage.
They used to be part of Honda, and began doing road training for bikers, then they moved into cars, then became independent.
You can do on road training (as in driving quickly and safely) through to skid pan work and the like.
They're almost all ex-Police driving instuctors and have pretty much national coverage.
They used to be part of Honda, and began doing road training for bikers, then they moved into cars, then became independent.
You can do on road training (as in driving quickly and safely) through to skid pan work and the like.
The HPC Course website doesn't work because that is the old website for John Lyon, who is no longer associated with HPC.
As posted above, try Cadence or Don Palmer.
Given your post, I'd recommend HPC - it is all about flexible, advanced motoring, enjoyment and once in the Club you'll meet a lot of like minded, enthusiastic drivers. You can PM me if you'd like to know more.
Steve
As posted above, try Cadence or Don Palmer.
Given your post, I'd recommend HPC - it is all about flexible, advanced motoring, enjoyment and once in the Club you'll meet a lot of like minded, enthusiastic drivers. You can PM me if you'd like to know more.
Steve
www.ridedrive.co.uk
They will teach you want YOU want to know, not how to drive THIER way...
Cheers,
Steve
They will teach you want YOU want to know, not how to drive THIER way...
Cheers,
Steve
francisb said:
I'd like to do an advanced driving course. What I WANT from it is better observation and car control skills allowing me to 'make progress' safer and maybe faster. What I DONT WANT is to learn how to MOT the car every time i drive to the shops or 'feed the wheel' and 'use the brakes, the're cheaper than a clutch' type of stuff, which i disagree with.
or 'feed the wheel' and 'use the brakes, the're cheaper than a clutch' type of stuff, which i disagree with.Just out of interest, what do you mean by having a problem with 'use the brakes, they're cheaper than a clutch'. I'm not out to convert, but I'd be interested to know why. Personally (and professionally) I don't have a problem with people who prefer to use acceleration and deceleration sense rather than jumping on the brakes every five minutes. However, I do prefer people to be able to change gear under such circumstances without clutch drag...
StressedDave said:
Just out of interest, what do you mean by having a problem with 'use the brakes, they're cheaper than a clutch'.
have read a few times that one should brake down to the required speed and then select the approprate gear. ie 5th down to 2nd is fine. i'd rather heel and toe down the box - i only drive a couple of days a month plus maybe 2-3 times a month on track - so i need all the practice i can get!
francisb said:
StressedDave said:
Just out of interest, what do you mean by having a problem with 'use the brakes, they're cheaper than a clutch'.
have read a few times that one should brake down to the required speed and then select the approprate gear. ie 5th down to 2nd is fine. i'd rather heel and toe down the box - i only drive a couple of days a month plus maybe 2-3 times a month on track - so i need all the practice i can get!
Ah, no problem with that - especially if you've got a fruity exhaust...
As I said above, as long as it's smooth then there's really no issue - and you can always skip gears in any case to get the same effect.StressedDave said:
Ah, no problem with that - especially if you've got a fruity exhaust...
964rs cup spec
ahhhh ive just checked your profile. have ordered a copy of roadcraft to see what im supposed to be doing then sort out a course
cheers
Edited by francisb on Tuesday 27th June 16:47
Has anyone been to this course at snetterton?
www.motorsportvision.co.uk/trackdays/event-details.asp?ProductID=2118
Looks pretty good...
www.motorsportvision.co.uk/trackdays/event-details.asp?ProductID=2118
Looks pretty good...
Don's style is very relaxed and he aims to coach you through altering your beliefs. I had a very unhappy lunchtime finding out that Santa didn't exist*. On the bright side I was able to take it out on some cones in the afternoon.
He also has a thing about maintaining a calm internal state. I think I reached Nirvana on one lap.
That or I wet myself. Hard to tell. Lovely warm feeling half way through a double-elk.
Can certainly recommend time with Don if you are interested in exploring what happens to the car at and beyond the limit of adhesion in a safe and encouraging environment. My driving now feels a little like one of those snow globes which has been shaken up. Might need a little while to let it settle. Help!
* Santa wasn't the only victim. I brought all my sacred car control cows.
He also has a thing about maintaining a calm internal state. I think I reached Nirvana on one lap.
That or I wet myself. Hard to tell. Lovely warm feeling half way through a double-elk.
Can certainly recommend time with Don if you are interested in exploring what happens to the car at and beyond the limit of adhesion in a safe and encouraging environment. My driving now feels a little like one of those snow globes which has been shaken up. Might need a little while to let it settle. Help!
* Santa wasn't the only victim. I brought all my sacred car control cows.
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