RE: Good driving's a matter of learning

RE: Good driving's a matter of learning

Thursday 23rd March 2006

Good driving's a matter of learning

Coached drivers are safer, finds research


Coached drivers tailgate less
Coached drivers tailgate less
Surveys often tell what you already believe to be true – but it's nice to have it confirmed by hard evidence. So research has found that motorists who rely on their basic L-test as a motoring "passport for life" are more likely to blame others when they are involved in incidents or minor accidents, according to a new study by Brunel University in West London.

Previous research has shown that drivers who regularly blame others for near-misses instead of taking responsibility for their own part in such incidents are more likely to be involved in fatal road accidents.

The Brunel study, carried out by Prof. Neville Stanton and Dr. Guy Walker, shows that drivers who improve their abilities behind the wheel are less likely to "play the blame game" and more likely to read the road and expect the unexpected.

Nearly 70 per cent of drivers who received advanced coaching showed significantly safer skills in a number of key areas, including cornering, gear changing, seating position, safe distances, use of mirrors and speed, according to the scientific comparison of normal and advanced drivers.

The IAM (Institute of Advanced Motorists) commissioned the study to examine whether advanced coaching can be proven to change drivers' attitudes, skills and knowledge.

Peter Rodger, IAM Chief Examiner, said: "This research shows that motorists who think that simply accumulating years of experience on the road is enough to improve their driving are wrong. What makes the difference is having extra coaching, just as it would be in any other activity. Drivers are more likely to blame chance or bad luck, if the only training they've ever had is those early driving lessons. But they're more likely to take responsibility for avoiding and responding to incidents if they've taken the trouble to try to improve their skills later in life."

In a measure of people's attitude towards whether they believe they are controlled by luck or chance, or have 'self' control over their actions - normal drivers score 60 per cent worse than drivers with advanced coaching, and show significantly more of the attitude that previous research has shown to be implicated in involvement in fatal accidents.

Professor Neville Stanton of Brunel University said: "There were 207,000 accidents in Great Britain in 2004, involving 281,000 casualties, according to the latest Department for Transport statistics. While we have one of the best records of lowering casualties, there is still much to do. The more we can understand driver behaviour and what affects it, the better chance we have of further reducing road accidents. This is why we felt it was important to conduct such a rigorous study into whether ‘practice makes perfect’ in terms of ability - or whether people need further coaching to improve how they drive.

"This is the first research of its kind and the results are telling. The performance of those who did not receive coaching was erratic, but those who were coached showed marked improvements in the three main areas of driving - skills, knowledge and attitude. These three skills are interdependent - when all three are improved, a driver is likely to be safer. It’s as simple as that."

Rodger said: "The findings of this research lay to rest the old joke that advanced driving is all about where you position your hands on the steering wheel. It shows the value of lifelong learning in motoring, just as in the fields of work. All drivers should be encouraged to continue developing their skills, long after their driving test."

Academics concluded at the end of the 15 month study that:

  • Driver attitudes changed with coaching - those who had received coaching were less likely to blame external factors when driving (increased accountability has been linked favourably to accident prevention)
  • Coached drivers saw a marked improvement in driving skills - almost 70 per cent of those who received coaching improved their basic driving skills (ie. speed, gears, cornering, headway, use of mirrors).
  • Drivers with coaching showed a 30 per cent increase in their knowledge, or situational awareness - i.e speed, decision-making and road features.
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Ride Drive

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94 posts

269 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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I have always found the driving licence system in this country to be a complete ass. Under the current British driving licence procedure, once an individual has passed their driving test they are, in the eyes of the law, qualified to jump into any car they wish and drive it on the public road. If we are all very honest in our opinions and judgement on such matters we should all agree that the driver training system at entry level, this being the prelude to passing a standard driving test, is woefully inadequate. Pottering about town in a small low-powered hatchback, barely exceeding 30mph and with an instructor always present to watch out and to protect against anything going wrong is all very safe and under control. Once the test is passed the fledgling driver is then abandoned – left to just get on with it as best they can. What happens over the next 10-years or so can be very haphazard. New procedures have to be learned, such as overtaking, joining, driving on and leaving a motorway, bend assessment, to name a few of many. Where do the general public learn these skills? Unfortunately they are left to learn from each other by way of following example, but who is to say that the style any driver tries to emulate is safe and/or appropriate? These are the people that are buying TVR’s Ferrari’s, Lotus’s, Impreza’s etc. with nothing much other than their spending power to impede them.

So many of our customers tell us after their respective driving sessions that they believe every driver should be made to complete some form of post-test training. That way the roads would be a lot safer, there would be less signs and speed limits, less speed cameras and driving would remain a pleasure.

MarkoTVR

1,139 posts

241 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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Ride Drive said:
So many of our customers tell us after their respective driving sessions that they believe every driver should be made to complete some form of post-test training. That way the roads would be a lot safer, there would be less signs and speed limits, less speed cameras and driving would remain a pleasure.


Some form of advanced tuition is on my 'To Do' list, even if just a one-dayer.

carreraplanes

60 posts

225 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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At the expense of being unpopular i believe that when you pass your test you should be restricted to cars of low output. You should only be allowed to progress to cars over a certain power to weight ratio after 3 years of experience and an advanced driving test. That way we can all drive safer and faster. Seems harsh but it would be many many times more effective than speed bumps and cameras. In addition all civil servants and transport ministers should also be made to pass an advanced course. The government's current initiatives on road safety are a sham because, in a nutshell, the legislators don't know what they are talking about.

hanse cronje

2,248 posts

228 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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well it is the case with bikes

when i had one it was just after the 12bhp rule so eveyone was after a yamaha that had 21bhp as long as it was regsitered before the cut off date.

now i undertsand that your are restricted in the size of engine based on age etc

Ride Drive

Original Poster:

94 posts

269 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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carreraplanes said:
The government's current initiatives on road safety are a sham because, in a nutshell, the legislators don't know what they are talking about.

Abso-flippin’-lutely!!! Considering that the Government have cut some of the funding to the IAM and other similarly funded organisations, presumably to divert such funds into speed cameras and other ways to continually stamp on the motorist as if he were a petulant child, it is very much a case of the motorist being dictated to by the uninitiated.

Also insurance companies could do a lot. If companies would offer a significant discount to the customer who subjected themselves to some advanced training more people would take it up. We see a great many people pass through our hands, but they are the ones who are enthusiastic about getting it right. The ones we really need to grab hold of, the ones that are the risk factor, won’t do anything unless there is a huge great big carrot to dangle in front of them.

tork@tiv

66 posts

246 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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carreraplanes said:
..... The government's current initiatives on road safety are a sham because, in a nutshell, the legislators don't know what they are talking about.


What are the chances of anyone who knows what they're talking about having a say in road safety policy on a local or a national level?

Any advance on nil?

Ride Drive

Original Poster:

94 posts

269 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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Policy group meetings. Now there is a covern to get involved with. The trouble is that you can argue your case to government officials and alike until you are blue in the face, but it will get you nowhere. They will do what they want to regardless of any advice people ‘in the know’ will have to offer.

Has anyone been to any Road Safety conferences? It wouldn’t be so bad if the point of having them was anything to do with Road Safety, but it isn’t. What they do tend to be about is the speakers concerned, each trying to outdo the next in an attempt to win favour and power. It is all about individual gratification of an over inflated ego by empty-headed nobodies trying to be some bodies. They don’t give a toss about what the title of the meeting is meant to mean. I gave up going to these things on the grounds that if I did continue to put in an appearance I would probably end up lumping someone for being so bloody self-righteous and pompous.

tork@tiv

66 posts

246 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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Ride Drive said:
Policy group meetings. Now there is a covern to get involved with. The trouble is that you can argue your case to government officials and alike until you are blue in the face, but it will get you nowhere. They will do what they want to regardless of any advice people ‘in the know’ will have to offer.

Has anyone been to any Road Safety conferences? It wouldn’t be so bad if the point of having them was anything to do with Road Safety, but it isn’t. What they do tend to be about is the speakers concerned, each trying to outdo the next in an attempt to win favour and power. It is all about individual gratification of an over inflated ego by empty-headed nobodies trying to be some bodies. They don’t give a toss about what the title of the meeting is meant to mean. I gave up going to these things on the grounds that if I did continue to put in an appearance I would probably end up lumping someone for being so bloody self-righteous and pompous.


Not your favourite species then?

Ride Drive

Original Poster:

94 posts

269 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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Well, perhaps if anyone in any position of authority was actually genuinely interested in improving driver standards then yes I could become interested, but they aren’t. I just wish for once we could get a meaningful dialogue going where ego’s, personal gain and politics were left outside the room and the work done was really about making things better – better in a positive way instead of all the negativity that does nothing but boil up resentment.

tvrgit

8,473 posts

259 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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How many polititians and policy makers in transport and road safety don't hold driving licences?

dogwatch

6,273 posts

229 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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tvrgit said:
How many polititians and policy makers in transport and road safety don't hold driving licences?



Mr Livingstone I presume?

Agreed insurers could take a lead here but would probably need government prodding (i.e meddling). However this brings its own problems with self styled experts going their own way as mentioned above.

flooritforever

861 posts

250 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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So let me get this straight.

As far as I can see the basic gist of the article above is:

'Drivers who recieve extra training become better drivers for it.'

Really? Well knock me down with a feather!
I never would have guessed that was the case!

tvrgit

8,473 posts

259 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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dogwatch said:
tvrgit said:
How many polititians and policy makers in transport and road safety don't hold driving licences?



Mr Livingstone I presume?

There are many, many more. I read a newspaper article a few weeks ago and don't have it any more, but there are a surprising number.

paulejacobs

135 posts

252 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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Isn't it about time that we had a five yearly retest regime? It would be self funding, and generate jobs. If a driver can't get through the standard L test, then should they be on the road at all?

I can see that this would be a hot potato, but surely it would be easy to instigate and genuinely save lives. What excuses could politicians possibly have for not even considering it?

Ride Drive

Original Poster:

94 posts

269 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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paulejacobs said:
What excuses could politicians possibly have for not even considering it?
Because they wouldn't get so much revenue from it, that's why.

Mr Whippy

29,914 posts

248 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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Interesting.

However I still say that being aware and critical of your own driving, being self-concious of doing a good job of anything you do, can help alot more than training.

Afterall, how many people are trained already who then go on to drive very badly, simply because they have a bad attitude towards driving.
You could train till your blue in the face, but sorry to say it, there will always be people who have to get somewhere that bit quicker, or cut you up, or drive agressively etc.

A bit of self-control and awareness of ones driving would go much further than training that falls already on essentially deaf ears!

Dave

Ride Drive

Original Poster:

94 posts

269 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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True will always get the hardcore of people who refuse to make any advancement in their skills, and those who will just drive badly for ever, but these would be far outnumbered by those that would benefit. That being the case you could make a serious dent (pardon the pun) in the collision statistics.

sgt^roc

512 posts

256 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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tvrgit said:
How many polititians and policy makers in transport and road safety don't hold driving licences?


How many are raging anti-car nuts, who allow their personal feelings into policy making

StressedDave

842 posts

269 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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paulejacobs said:
Isn't it about time that we had a five yearly retest regime? It would be self funding, and generate jobs. If a driver can't get through the standard L test, then should they be on the road at all?

I can see that this would be a hot potato, but surely it would be easy to instigate and genuinely save lives. What excuses could politicians possibly have for not even considering it?


The current DSA Examiners struggle to cope with the number of people sitting tests as it stands now, (let alone the number of 'check' tests for ADIs) so introducing a few million extra tests to be conducted per year is hardly going to improve matters. If you also assume that it takes a modicum of skill to be an examiner, you can hardly ramp up the number required in short enough time.

That said, it's a wonderful idea, as would be a proper 'Advanced' licence before you were allowed to drive a high performance car.

Flat in Fifth

45,527 posts

258 months

Thursday 23rd March 2006
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I still favour the carrot over stick approach.

Rather than getting points for being naughty you get additional points for being good, accident and claim free, advanced training and so on. Lose the points for transgressions.

What do points make?

Well not exactly prizes but certain privileges as in entitlement to drive higher powered vehicles being just one example. What else? Badges? :cringe:

The British being the anally retentive "one up on the Joneses" nation that we are it might make more people enter into learning a life skill that truly is a life skill.

Might also get rid of the cardigan and slippers image too.