Discussion
At a recent chance to meet my local IAM group the speaker asked if there were any questions, to which an elderly chap in the audience replied by asking how to take roundabouts as his approach was to use the left hand lane and was this right? 
He went on to say that he found it safer to use the left lane, even if he were going out of the 3 o'clock exit.
He did mention that a lot of people blew their horns at him.
I do hope he takes the initiative and joins our group before a 44 tonner turning right at a roundabout comes up his offside and takes him out.
Be careful out there people, these types are all around us.
He went on to say that he found it safer to use the left lane, even if he were going out of the 3 o'clock exit.
He did mention that a lot of people blew their horns at him.
I do hope he takes the initiative and joins our group before a 44 tonner turning right at a roundabout comes up his offside and takes him out.
Be careful out there people, these types are all around us.
At least there will be 1 less to worry about now that TripleS has signed up 
See his posting here, yesterday at 2:53pm: www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=234133&f=154&h=0&p=2
K
See his posting here, yesterday at 2:53pm: www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=234133&f=154&h=0&p=2
K
A friend's fiance had the front end taken off their CTR last year by a foreign truck turning right from the left lane on a roundabout in MK. After the event, the attending BiB said that apparently there is nothing in law (no MUST in the HC) to specifically stop you from doing a full loop from the left hand lane. Not recommended, but apparently not illegal.
Kinky said:
At least there will be 1 less to worry about now that TripleS has signed up
See his posting here, yesterday at 2:53pm: www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=234133&f=154&h=0&p=2
K
Goodness me, I'm quite touched by your concern Kinky, but I don't think you need to worry too much about me, IAM membership or not. It might end up interfering with a well established and proven system, albeit one that does not fully conform to the system that 'the experts' favour. We'll see what happens in due course, meanwhile it might be best if we avoid jumping to conclusions.
Take care, and best wishes all,
Dave.
markmullen said:
At a recent chance to meet my local IAM group the speaker asked if there were any questions, to which an elderly chap in the audience replied by asking how to take roundabouts as his approach was to use the left hand lane and was this right?
He went on to say that he found it safer to use the left lane, even if he were going out of the 3 o'clock exit.
He did mention that a lot of people blew their horns at him.
I do hope he takes the initiative and joins our group before a 44 tonner turning right at a roundabout comes up his offside and takes him out.
Be careful out there people, these types are all around us.
Yes Mark, I remember the gentleman you are referring to. I must say I was a bit taken aback at his roundabout technique. Let's just hope that he bears in mind the inadvisability of being alongside other vehicles on a roundabout, at least until we are sure we know what everybody is intending to do, and which exit they are making for.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
CombeMarshal said:
Old people and round-a-bouts, were they never taught how to use them?!?!?
Why do they straight line them, even 3 lanes round-a-bouts?
I imagine even quite old people were taught how to deal with roundabouts, I'm sure the subject was dealt with during my driving lessons.
Why should we not straight line them, so long as there is no danger of coming into conflict with another road user, or causing inconvenience or concern? I don't see a need to stay in one lane if there is no one else nearby.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
TripleS said:
Old people and round-a-bouts, were they never taught how to use them?!?!?
Why do they straight line them, even 3 lanes round-a-bouts?
I imagine even quite old people were taught how to deal with roundabouts, I'm sure the subject was dealt with during my driving lessons.
Why should we not straight line them, so long as there is no danger of coming into conflict with another road user, or causing inconvenience or concern? I don't see a need to stay in one lane if there is no one else nearby.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Absolutely correct!
But not when you're going straight ahead and there is somebody else alongside your driver's door, turning right! (as seems to be the new norm)
tvrgit said:
Old people and round-a-bouts, were they never taught how to use them?!?!?
Why do they straight line them, even 3 lanes round-a-bouts?
I imagine even quite old people were taught how to deal with roundabouts, I'm sure the subject was dealt with during my driving lessons.
Why should we not straight line them, so long as there is no danger of coming into conflict with another road user, or causing inconvenience or concern? I don't see a need to stay in one lane if there is no one else nearby.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Absolutely correct!
But not when you're going straight ahead and there is somebody else alongside your driver's door, turning right! (as seems to be the new norm)
Indeed. That's a very different matter.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
tvrgit said:
Old people and round-a-bouts, were they never taught how to use them?!?!?
Why do they straight line them, even 3 lanes round-a-bouts?
I imagine even quite old people were taught how to deal with roundabouts, I'm sure the subject was dealt with during my driving lessons.
Why should we not straight line them, so long as there is no danger of coming into conflict with another road user, or causing inconvenience or concern? I don't see a need to stay in one lane if there is no one else nearby.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Absolutely correct!
But not when you're going straight ahead and there is somebody else alongside your driver's door, turning right! (as seems to be the new norm)
Sorry, thats what I was getting at!
Besides, It's far better to stay in lane everytime
LexSport said:
A friend's fiance had the front end taken off their CTR last year by a foreign truck turning right from the left lane on a roundabout in MK. After the event, the attending BiB said that apparently there is nothing in law (no MUST in the HC) to specifically stop you from doing a full loop from the left hand lane. Not recommended, but apparently not illegal.
Apparently in the highway code, you are advised to turn right from the right hand lane (all the example diagrams illustrate this) but it is not a MUST rule. On the other hand driving with courtesy to other road users is a MUST rule. Example (which happened to me!) :
Leaving a Motorway junction (M5 J20) which only has 1 exit (right) from the roundabout. The traffic often queues all the way around the roundabout in the left hand lane. I use the right hand lane to turn right and filter into the traffic which becomes a single lane on the exit. One day I filter in and get pulled by an unmarked traffic car. He can see my point that it is safer to use the right hand lane, and in fact this is the lane that the other traffic *should* use, but I am being discurteous to the other road users by jumping the queue and filtering in. Therefore in effect, I'm breaking the law! This was all light hearted and nothing came of it, BUT the advice was, to always be curteous whilst driving and follow the herd (even if they are wrong)!
Sorry, I simply cannot accept that.
I do not recall any MUST rule regarding courtesy and I suspect that the BiB in question was actually referring to HC122.
There was certainly nothing dangerous in what you did; you were excercising due care and definitely paying attention; To my mind, you most certainly did exercise reasonable consideration for the other road users. Nobody was inconvenienced. To say that you are expected to follow the sheeple even if they are wrong is a rather blinkered view and, IMO, goes against the whole point of "advanced" driving which, surely, is to THINK!.
Some people just seem to really object when they percieve someone "getting one up on them". I wonder what a court would have made of it?
I do not recall any MUST rule regarding courtesy and I suspect that the BiB in question was actually referring to HC122.
The Highway Code said:
122: You MUST NOT
* drive dangerously
* drive without due care and attention
* drive without reasonable consideration for other road users.
Law RTA 1988 sects 2 & 3 as amended by RTA 1991
There was certainly nothing dangerous in what you did; you were excercising due care and definitely paying attention; To my mind, you most certainly did exercise reasonable consideration for the other road users. Nobody was inconvenienced. To say that you are expected to follow the sheeple even if they are wrong is a rather blinkered view and, IMO, goes against the whole point of "advanced" driving which, surely, is to THINK!.
Some people just seem to really object when they percieve someone "getting one up on them". I wonder what a court would have made of it?
Gassing Station | Advanced Driving | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff