Roundabout overtake.

[MutiMuti]

Recently I had a daily commute to a town with a dual carriageway approach to a tight roundabout. Traffic going ahead (to single carirageway) or left (same) would queue and often this queue would be fifteen or more cars in length. The right hand lane approach, to go off the roundabout right would be empty, and, filtering on to the roundabout was slow because it was tight and vehicles coming from the right seldom maintained strict lane discipline. So, I would approach the roundabout in the right hand lane indicating my intention to go right. Once on the roundabout I would carry on indicating and do a complete 360 degrees at which point I was back to where I came on to the roundabout but now I had priority over the two lanes waiting at the junction from which I had just entered. Carrying on around the roundabout to complete a one and a half circumnavigation I would then indicate and pull off to proceed straight ahead, in the process placing myself ahead of usually a minimum of ten cars waiting to either turn left or go straight ahead like me. What's the opinion on this?

[standards]

This has been done to death/explored fully on here.

For my money whilst not actually contravening any law/rule, it’s not what one would expect from a Proper Chap(ess).

[MiseryStreak]

No I don’t agree that it’s been done to death. I would like to continue the debate on whether going all the way around a roundabout to go straight on is 360 degrees (the net rotation of the car), or 540 degrees (the rotation about the centre of the roundabout), or some other angle.

This is terribly important stuff. Far more important than the legality or morality of jumping a queue to make progress.

[georgefreeman918]

Technically nothing wrong with it - but everyone in the left hand lane will think you are a kn*b!

[Pica-Pica]

As said, been discussed before. Could be done for ‘driving without due consideration for other road users’ or whatever the term is. Unlikely, unless police witness it or a dash cam file is submitted. I’ve rarely seen it done, probably once or twice in decades of driving. Best case, a lot of (unheard) tutting; worst case, a chance of the Kenneth Noye’s.

[MadCaptainJack]

Is your car RWD?

[mko9]

georgefreeman918 said:

Technically nothing wrong with it - but everyone in the left hand lane will think you are a kn*b!

But they all suck at driving, as evidenced by the fact that they are sitting in that queue, so no one of any importance cares about what their opinion is.

[Rotary Potato]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

But three rights do make a left.



To be fair it was something I did more in my younger days, when it always seemed terribly important to be places as quickly as possible. These days I very rarely do it, and when I see it being done while I wait, I just consider it karma (or should that be car-ma?) for my enthusiastic youthful driving.

[silverfoxcc]

And i would bet that not many sitting in trhe LH lane would notice the procedure

[Sporky]

MiseryStreak said:

No I don’t agree that it’s been done to death. I would like to continue the debate on whether going all the way around a roundabout to go straight on is 360 degrees (the net rotation of the car), or 540 degrees (the rotation about the centre of the roundabout), or some other angle.

This is terribly important stuff. Far more important than the legality or morality of jumping a queue to make progress.

Yes. Good call. The last such discussion was epic.

[66mpg]

To my mind the problem is that if everyone did it the congestion would be worse, not better. In the interest of trying to set a good example I don’t do it.

[MutiMuti]

My appologies if this has been 'done to death' - I had no idea as I'm fairly new here. I always find it interesting posting on a new forum and reading responses to what's posted. Being overly analytical, it's not what people say that interests me but very often why they feel the needed to say it, and the way in which it's said, particularly if it brings nothing of value to any topic in hand.

Why do I like this overtake so much? It's difficult to say, but there are clues in the fact that I suffer from low self esteem and I'm very childish. So as I passs those who are still waiting in the queue it makes me feel cleverer than I really am, and as I'm childish it amuses me to the degree it makes me smile and so anything that makes me smile on an otherwise stultifyingly boring commute has got to be a good thing.

I'm glad to have found this forum because since I became an Advanced Driver a few years ago I've been in a bit of a limbo. ROSPA and IAM are obliged to promote certain 'points of view' which are not neccessarily - shall we say 'realistic' in realation to everyday driving, and, not knowing anyone else who is an advanced driver I've had no idea what other people's real life attitudes are to everyday driving. Reg Locals's stuff has been a real eye opener, the performance car vid was particularly useful to me as I own a performance car in addition to my daily driver.

So, anyway, thanks for your replies. :-)

[Monkeylegend]

MutiMuti said:

My appologies if this has been 'done to death' - I had no idea as I'm fairly new here. I always find it interesting posting on a new forum and reading responses to what's posted. Being overly analytical, it's not what people say that interests me but very often why they feel the needed to say it, and the way in which it's said, particularly if it brings nothing of value to any topic in hand.

Why do I like this overtake so much? It's difficult to say, but there are clues in the fact that I suffer from low self esteem and I'm very childish. So as I passs those who are still waiting in the queue it makes me feel cleverer than I really am, and as I'm childish it amuses me to the degree it makes me smile and so anything that makes me smile on an otherwise stultifyingly boring commute has got to be a good thing.

I'm glad to have found this forum because since I became an Advanced Driver a few years ago I've been in a bit of a limbo. ROSPA and IAM are obliged to promote certain 'points of view' which are not neccessarily - shall we say 'realistic' in realation to everyday driving, and, not knowing anyone else who is an advanced driver I've had no idea what other people's real life attitudes are to everyday driving. Reg Locals's stuff has been a real eye opener, the performance car vid was particularly useful to me as I own a performance car in addition to my daily driver.

So, anyway, thanks for your replies. :-)

Did you not find this forum 216 months ago, or did you forget

That is some lurking.

[sociopath]

66mpg said:

To my mind the problem is that if everyone did it the congestion would be worse, not better. In the interest of trying to set a good example I don’t do it.

I don't think it would make it worse, it's actually just a slightly more complicated "merge in turn".

I don't do it because I have nowhere I really want to be that urgently anymore, but I must admit I occasionally used to do it on the roundabout off the m67 onto Hyde road at Mottram when travelling to see my sick mum in yorkshire, as I really couldn't stomach the arguements that would go on as people jockeyed for position as the m67 lanes reduced

[Toltec]

What proportion of the cars in the left lane were turning left? If it is at least half then by not using that lane you are doing a favour for most of the people using it by not being part of their congestion.

[Armchair Expert]

Pica-Pica said:

As said, been discussed before. Could be done for ‘driving without due consideration for other road users’ or whatever the term is.

Really!!!

The offence of driving without reasonable consideration under s.3 RTA 1988 is committed only when other persons are inconvenienced by the manner of the defendant's driving, see s.3ZA(4) RTA 1988.

So how does that apply when you do a full circut of a roundabout?

What happens if you miss your turning or get into the wrong lane and go round again?

[Nurburgsingh]

mko9 said:

georgefreeman918 said:

Technically nothing wrong with it - but everyone in the left hand lane will think you are a kn*b!

But they all suck at driving, as evidenced by the fact that they are sitting in that queue, so no one of any importance cares about what their opinion is.

I would say that 9/15 of them wouldn’t have even noticed it was the same car that came past them that was now approaching them from the right on the roundabout, and some will have been ok their phones so didn’t even see the overtake in the first place.

So I would say - crack on

[Portofino]

All this ste about morals etc, jeez, it’s good driving.

Planning ahead, making safe progress and freeing up road space for others.

[Paynewright]

There is a three road roundabout near us - dual carriage way then normal two lane roads right and left. Dual carriage way to left always queues so people do the same as OP. Queue is caused by the next set of lights down the left turn, which backs up to the roundabout and several hundred metres down the dual carriage way.

Drivers usually fly down the clear outside lane of DC (which is right only at the roundabout), loop around the roundabout and join the queue to exit (original left) often blocking the roundabout.

In this scenario it is purely queue jumping and making progress at the expense of others.

I always choose to queue at this roundabout.

Edited by Paynewright on Friday 4th February 08:07

[dundarach]

It's the move of a complete

we all know this, many of us are angry because we're too soft and are scared to do the same

a tiny few of us might have some morals and don't want to be thought of as s

However, whatever the reason other people choose not to do it, doesn't make you any less of a for doing it

So be a happy , happy in the knowledge you've saved a few minutes

Be a happy that you'll get there before me

Be a happy that you're winning and I'm an angry looser

Just be a happy and leave me to my cowardly misery