Lane closure vigilantes
Discussion
This is my pet hate, and something that bothers me even more than middle lane hoggers on empty motorways...
Today I found myself stuck on a roundabout. The exit I was taking was queued right back to the roundabout causing mayhem. The stretch of road I was going onto was a dual carriageway, with a closure in Lane 1 in 600 yards.
No-one was using Lane 1, it was completely empty. So I entered and found a safe gap when I could into Lane 2 well before the closure. However, prior to doing so, a van was straddling both lanes (with about 400yrds to go) and saw me coming on the inside and decided he would try and block me. I was in the daily, so I continued my course and he backed down. But moving lanes to block another vehicle last minute is pretty dangerous.
Does this annoy anyone else? I understand you can't race up the inside and dive in last minute, but if a few people just used Lane 1, there wouldn't have been an issue.
Thoughts?
Today I found myself stuck on a roundabout. The exit I was taking was queued right back to the roundabout causing mayhem. The stretch of road I was going onto was a dual carriageway, with a closure in Lane 1 in 600 yards.
No-one was using Lane 1, it was completely empty. So I entered and found a safe gap when I could into Lane 2 well before the closure. However, prior to doing so, a van was straddling both lanes (with about 400yrds to go) and saw me coming on the inside and decided he would try and block me. I was in the daily, so I continued my course and he backed down. But moving lanes to block another vehicle last minute is pretty dangerous.
Does this annoy anyone else? I understand you can't race up the inside and dive in last minute, but if a few people just used Lane 1, there wouldn't have been an issue.
Thoughts?
The van drivers actions are probably caused by him being annoyed with previous experiences, such as when the road is quiet you get *that one person* fly up lane 1 and try to cut in at the very end, rather than merge where he can. We all know that the car cutting in at the very end isn't doing it for congestion but only because he's a prick, its as believable as saying a robber is wearing a mask so the victims dont catch covid.
My thoughts are if theres a bottleneck you're still going to get traffic congestion, cars wont go through the bottle neck and dissipate any quicker.
My thoughts are if theres a bottleneck you're still going to get traffic congestion, cars wont go through the bottle neck and dissipate any quicker.
Slightly different but had similar on a long 2 into 1 merge after a roundabout recently.
No traffic but the 'I was here first' vigilante deliberately hung out to prevent me passing.
I patiently sat behind for 100yds or so and with a mere 50 left thought no worries and moved over left.
On realising he had triumphantly won he also began moving over.
What the doddery old
didn't comprehend was he's in a Honda Jizz and I'm in a Lotus Exige. In a moment rivalling the great Senna himself my left became a quick left right and the Jizz driving bellend was a speck in my mirrors before he knew what had happened.
I fking love my car 
No traffic but the 'I was here first' vigilante deliberately hung out to prevent me passing.
I patiently sat behind for 100yds or so and with a mere 50 left thought no worries and moved over left.
On realising he had triumphantly won he also began moving over.
What the doddery old
didn't comprehend was he's in a Honda Jizz and I'm in a Lotus Exige. In a moment rivalling the great Senna himself my left became a quick left right and the Jizz driving bellend was a speck in my mirrors before he knew what had happened.I f
king love my car Mr Miata said:
The van drivers actions are probably caused by him being annoyed with previous experiences, such as when the road is quiet you get *that one person* fly up lane 1 and try to cut in at the very end, rather than merge where he can. We all know that the car cutting in at the very end isn't doing it for congestion but only because he's a prick
My thoughts are if theres a bottleneck you're still going to get traffic congestion, cars wont go through the bottle neck and dissipate any quicker.
My thoughts are if theres a bottleneck you're still going to get traffic congestion, cars wont go through the bottle neck and dissipate any quicker.
Dave Hedgehog said:
I'm sure these dheads annoy everyone, like the idiots who don't understand merging ...
Yup.heads annoy everyone, like the idiots who don't understand merging ...Mr Miata said:
The van drivers actions are probably caused by him being annoyed with previous experiences, such as when the road is quiet you get *that one person* fly up lane 1 and try to cut in at the very end, rather than merge where he can. We all know that the car cutting in at the very end isn't doing it for congestion but only because he's a prick, its as believable as saying a robber is wearing a mask so the victims dont catch covid.
My thoughts are if theres a bottleneck you're still going to get traffic congestion, cars wont go through the bottle neck and dissipate any quicker.
But it isn't the van drivers place to straddle lanes and decide who uses which piece of road is it? People in larger vehicles seem to think they have some sort or authority, which is all well and good when they cause an accident and have to face the consequences of their actions.My thoughts are if theres a bottleneck you're still going to get traffic congestion, cars wont go through the bottle neck and dissipate any quicker.
In this scenario at least, by utilising Lane 1, you are alleviating congestion on the roundabout before, which in turn affected all other exits.
Edited by M.F.D on Thursday 20th January 12:12
Tyre Smoke said:
Can you explain to me why, if lane one is empty, I shouldn't use it all the way to the merge point?
If the sheep want to queue and cannot comprehend the concept of merge in turn, then that is fheir problem, not mine.
Totally agree. I just don't get it. Total sheep mentality!If the sheep want to queue and cannot comprehend the concept of merge in turn, then that is fheir problem, not mine.
HGV's are a nightmare for this.
Simply Merge in Turn. Everyone has the option (which they should ideally take) to merge in a 1/1/1 formation just short of the lane closure. (This obviously assumes this is fixed roadworks, not an RTA/emergency situation where obviously common sense prevails and earlier is better to give emergency services maximum room/access).
This hopefully reduces the tailback and makes for a much fairer system. I think it is the British thing of professional queuing which ultimately leads to bigger headaches and queues than necessary.
Simply Merge in Turn. Everyone has the option (which they should ideally take) to merge in a 1/1/1 formation just short of the lane closure. (This obviously assumes this is fixed roadworks, not an RTA/emergency situation where obviously common sense prevails and earlier is better to give emergency services maximum room/access).
This hopefully reduces the tailback and makes for a much fairer system. I think it is the British thing of professional queuing which ultimately leads to bigger headaches and queues than necessary.
Vasco said:
Key problem is that many people won't merge in turn. The majority will prefer to use just one queue, possibly straddling both lanes, because somebody will always race up the inside and cut in at the last second.
But you can't straddle lanes as if you have some sort of authority, just get in your lane and wind your neck in.Similar experience on Mancunian way (Manchester) a couple of years back when they were redesigning the junction. Old fella in a Jazz took on the role of straddling two lanes, what he failed to apprehend I was in a car I could careless about, mounted the kerb that was part of the central reservation and drove round him. He soon backed down and let other past as well.
Ive driven all over Europe and the states and I can say that its only something Ive seen in the UK.
Maybe its just 'our thing' we love a good queue don't we... wether its down the bank or the Post Office, outside the kebab van, people just forget they're in a car and get on with queuing again. same as when you see a train of cars doing 69mph in lane 3 and lane 1 and 2 are empty... just sheep mentality and cockwombling
Maybe its just 'our thing' we love a good queue don't we... wether its down the bank or the Post Office, outside the kebab van, people just forget they're in a car and get on with queuing again. same as when you see a train of cars doing 69mph in lane 3 and lane 1 and 2 are empty... just sheep mentality and cockwombling
Mr Miata said:
The van drivers actions are probably caused by him being annoyed with previous experiences, such as when the road is quiet you get *that one person* fly up lane 1 and try to cut in at the very end, rather than merge where he can. We all know that the car cutting in at the very end isn't doing it for congestion but only because he's a prick, its as believable as saying a robber is wearing a mask so the victims dont catch covid.
My thoughts are if theres a bottleneck you're still going to get traffic congestion, cars wont go through the bottle neck and dissipate any quicker.
I've found myself being forced to merge like this because the area was unfamiliar to me and I didn't know the layout of that particular stretch. The timing becomes wrong because local convention says you should have made the move 1/4 mile further back because road markings you're only just starting to see say you should. My thoughts are if theres a bottleneck you're still going to get traffic congestion, cars wont go through the bottle neck and dissipate any quicker.
It's the same when someone appears to be dawdling and changing lanes at the wrong time when driving in a city.... it's not because they're bad drivers, more the case that they're in unfamiliar surroundings so trying to interpret road markings, signposts and sat nav all at the same time with some local driver right up their waste valve.
Rick101 said:
Slightly different but had similar on a long 2 into 1 merge after a roundabout recently.
No traffic but the 'I was here first' vigilante deliberately hung out to prevent me passing.
I patiently sat behind for 100yds or so and with a mere 50 left thought no worries and moved over left.
On realising he had triumphantly won he also began moving over.
What the doddery old didn't comprehend was he's in a Honda Jizz and I'm in a Lotus Exige. In a moment rivalling the great Senna himself my left became a quick left right and the Jizz driving bellend was a speck in my mirrors before he knew what had happened.
I fking love my car
Trouble with that, very tempting, tactic is that people who have already proved themselves to be dangerous/inconsiderate drivers are likely to be the sort of people who are completely incapable of judging distance or speed and so pull out again in front of you at the last minute so causing an accident. I'd leave them to it. Unless of course I was driving something large and solid, perhaps with Scania written on the front!No traffic but the 'I was here first' vigilante deliberately hung out to prevent me passing.
I patiently sat behind for 100yds or so and with a mere 50 left thought no worries and moved over left.
On realising he had triumphantly won he also began moving over.
What the doddery old
didn't comprehend was he's in a Honda Jizz and I'm in a Lotus Exige. In a moment rivalling the great Senna himself my left became a quick left right and the Jizz driving bellend was a speck in my mirrors before he knew what had happened.I f
king love my car mac96 said:
Rick101 said:
Slightly different but had similar on a long 2 into 1 merge after a roundabout recently.
No traffic but the 'I was here first' vigilante deliberately hung out to prevent me passing.
I patiently sat behind for 100yds or so and with a mere 50 left thought no worries and moved over left.
On realising he had triumphantly won he also began moving over.
What the doddery old didn't comprehend was he's in a Honda Jizz and I'm in a Lotus Exige. In a moment rivalling the great Senna himself my left became a quick left right and the Jizz driving bellend was a speck in my mirrors before he knew what had happened.
I fking love my car
Trouble with that, very tempting, tactic is that people who have already proved themselves to be dangerous/inconsiderate drivers are likely to be the sort of people who are completely incapable of judging distance or speed and so pull out again in front of you at the last minute so causing an accident. I'd leave them to it. Unless of course I was driving something large and solid, perhaps with Scania written on the front!No traffic but the 'I was here first' vigilante deliberately hung out to prevent me passing.
I patiently sat behind for 100yds or so and with a mere 50 left thought no worries and moved over left.
On realising he had triumphantly won he also began moving over.
What the doddery old
didn't comprehend was he's in a Honda Jizz and I'm in a Lotus Exige. In a moment rivalling the great Senna himself my left became a quick left right and the Jizz driving bellend was a speck in my mirrors before he knew what had happened.I f
king love my car M.F.D said:
Vasco said:
Key problem is that many people won't merge in turn. The majority will prefer to use just one queue, possibly straddling both lanes, because somebody will always race up the inside and cut in at the last second.
But you can't straddle lanes as if you have some sort of authority, just get in your lane and wind your neck in.CheesecakeRunner said:
Tyre Smoke said:
Can you explain to me why, if lane one is empty, I shouldn't use it all the way to the merge point?
If the sheep want to queue and cannot comprehendg the concept of merge in turn, then that is fheir problem, not mine.
You’re perfectly entitled to. You just need to recognise that the vast majority of people haven’t got a clue about merge in turn and simply see it as queue jumping. So go for it, but just expect conflict. If the sheep want to queue and cannot comprehendg the concept of merge in turn, then that is fheir problem, not mine.
See Mr Miata above.
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