Proposed new rules on pedestrian priority
Discussion
Anyone got a complete description of the new proposed rules. I can't figure out whether the rules for giving priority to pedestrians apply to those only on crossings, or just on a pavement who want to cross the road.
And some of the wording confused me further, it was something like "pedestrians wanting to cross a road you a re turning into / out of".
I'm not sure if this just means stop for people on a crossing who want to cross, BEFORE they set foot on it, or a much wider rule that anyone on a pavement (not at a crossing) needs to be let across when you are turning into a new road so you need to stop and cause any traffic behind to stop and potentially have a bum-clenching moment with a tailgater. And the turning into/out of a road part equally confused me.
Any clarificaiton welcome, thanks.
And some of the wording confused me further, it was something like "pedestrians wanting to cross a road you a re turning into / out of".
I'm not sure if this just means stop for people on a crossing who want to cross, BEFORE they set foot on it, or a much wider rule that anyone on a pavement (not at a crossing) needs to be let across when you are turning into a new road so you need to stop and cause any traffic behind to stop and potentially have a bum-clenching moment with a tailgater. And the turning into/out of a road part equally confused me.
Any clarificaiton welcome, thanks.
I tend to think of it as three paralell paths; In the centre, the cars, to the nearside verge, cycles, and the pavement (even where it crosses over the road) for the pedestrians - Give way to each of the cycles and the pedestrians when turning - It's how they structure road design in the Netherlands, and works quite well.
"Drivers [..] should give way to pedestrians [..] waiting to cross a road into which [..] you are turning."
Presumably this should be ignored when it would cause a driver turning left to encourage pedestrians into a flow of traffic on the far side of the road.
I wonder if this part will eventually be revoked?
Presumably this should be ignored when it would cause a driver turning left to encourage pedestrians into a flow of traffic on the far side of the road.
I wonder if this part will eventually be revoked?
The final wording of 170 is out -- I don't think this final wording was available before
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/using...
> give way to for pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road into which or from which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way (see Rule H2)
Which I take to mean, when a pedestrian is waiting to cross, you should give way, but they do not have priority until they have started to cross?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/using...
> give way to for pedestrians crossing or waiting to cross a road into which or from which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way (see Rule H2)
Which I take to mean, when a pedestrian is waiting to cross, you should give way, but they do not have priority until they have started to cross?
R0G said:
If they have a foot in the road then fine but what if they are near the kerb perhaps on their phone - are they going to cross or be there for 5 mins chatting etc ?? - are we supposed to be mind readers?
You know that it's the same rule as for zebra crossings? Until pedestrians had a foot on the crossing, there was no requirement for drivers to give way. But once a foot is on the crossing, they have absolute priority. Therefore, you slow down and prepare to stop on approach to the crossing. If they don't cross then you can proceed with caution.I don't know how two legally identical situations came to be viewed so differently.
If a junction is well sighted, you can see any potential waiting pedestrians, and proceed accordingly. If a pedestrian is waiting, you slow down and prepare to stop. If they don't start crossing immediately and you have excellent visibility, you could turn a bit onto the offside to give them plenty of space, which would allow you to carry more speed.
If a junction isn't well sighted, then you slow down and prepare to stop for an unseen hazard. Be it a pedestrian, or a bin lorry.
If somebody is tailgating you you slow down more gradually on the approach so as not to be making any sharp braking. With the bonus of p
ing them off a bit more. 
Edited by Solocle on Monday 31st January 12:15
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