Ashley Neil yt

[StalledClio]

https://youtu.be/61pimkM1WPo

Cammer spots a BMW overtaking inappropriately, lets them past, and gets criticised by Ashley Neil and the YouTube comments.

What am I missing?

[Mr Miata]

Maybe the BMW driver assumed the camera car had stopped and parked at the side of the road?

I remember my driving instructor saying to put the right indicator on to show you’re not stopping but just waiting to move past a parked car.

[Cliftonite]

StalledClio said:

https://youtu.be/61pimkM1WPo

Cammer spots a BMW overtaking inappropriately, lets them past, and gets criticised by Ashley Neil and the YouTube comments.

What am I missing?

The whole story is within the video!

[LunarOne]

StalledClio said:

https://youtu.be/61pimkM1WPo

Cammer spots a BMW overtaking inappropriately, lets them past, and gets criticised by Ashley Neil and the YouTube comments.

What am I missing?

You're missing that the cammer waited far too long and that the BMW overtook entirely appropriately. The road is no place to sit and wait when you could be making progress.

[efcgriswold]

Stopped long enough for two cars to go past. Hesitation will cause this cammer more trouble than a BMW and a VW going past them.

Edited by efcgriswold on Wednesday 11th August 13:31

[StalledClio]

efcgriswold said:

Stopped long enough for two cars to go past. Hesitation will cause this cammer more than a BMW and a VW going past them.

The BMW was moving to overtake before the car in the other lane reached. The cammer did well to spot this, allow the overtake and not create a hazard.

At no point was the cammer waiting for nothing, I don’t see any hesitation until after the two cars have overtaken — presumably because of what just happened.

[efcgriswold]

StalledClio said:

efcgriswold said:

Stopped long enough for two cars to go past. Hesitation will cause this cammer more than a BMW and a VW going past them.

The BMW was moving to overtake before the car in the other lane reached. The cammer did well to spot this, allow the overtake and not create a hazard.

At no point was the cammer waiting for nothing, I don’t see any hesitation until after the two cars have overtaken — presumably because of what just happened.

User name checks out.

The cammer had stopped and you can tell it had stopped as it waiting for the cars further up the road to come through. As you can see on the footage, there was no requirement to hesitate or stop. They did both.

The cammer does get extra points for not flashing, beeping or going absolutely mental at the BMW and the VW who went past a car that looked and acted like it had stopped.

[johnao]

StalledClio said:

efcgriswold said:

Stopped long enough for two cars to go past. Hesitation will cause this cammer more than a BMW and a VW going past them.

The BMW was moving to overtake before the car in the other lane reached. The cammer did well to spot this, allow the overtake and not create a hazard.

At no point was the cammer waiting for nothing, I don’t see any hesitation until after the two cars have overtaken — presumably because of what just happened.

The cammer could have followed the second car through.

[johnao]

efcgriswold said:

Stopped long enough for two cars to go past. Hesitation will cause this cammer more trouble than a BMW and a VW going past them.

Agreed. But I think the cause of the cammer's hesitation is probably indecision. Which can be quite problematic if you're a driver.

Just after the blue car has passed, during the elapsed time 0:34s to 0:40s, the cammer edges forward about a metre. It's as though he's trying to make up his mind whether or not to follow the blue car. He has the best part of six seconds to make a decision during which time he's slowly edging forward not sure of what to do. And then decides to do nothing because he's left it too late, the situation has changed, and the oncoming vehicle moves forward.

By posting the video the cammer is subconsciously attempting to shift the blame for his own driving inadequacy onto other drivers and, in this case, accusing them of impatience. The cammer shirks responsibility for his own poor actions by accusing others of bad driving. A familiar feature of many dashcam videos.

[NGRhodes]

efcgriswold said:

Stopped long enough for two cars to go past. Hesitation will cause this cammer more trouble than a BMW and a VW going past them.

Edited by efcgriswold on Wednesday 11th August 13:31

Stopped long enough for 3 or 4 cars to pass !

[StalledClio]

I’m surprised at the support for the BMW but without anybody defending the cammer, I’ll accept my interpretation of the video was likely wrong.

I’m less interested in the delay after the BMW passes.

[Funk]

I'd say the cammer was dawdling far too long - in fact would they have gained a fault on a driving test for 'undue hesitation' there? I'd have done the same as the BMW and VW and passed the cammer.

"Another area they'll be keeping a close eye on is progress. As you drive, the examiner will be watching to see whether you drive at an appropriate speed for the road you're on and that you make good progress. Undue hesitation falls under this particular category. As the name suggests, it's when you take too long to take action. This includes not proceeding when it's safe to do so, or constantly stopping and waiting. In other words, you're failing to make any progress."

[waremark]

I have much more sympathy than the rest of you for the cammer, it is quite clear from his positioning that he has not stopped and by going forward the BMW and the car following it forced the oncoming traffic to wait for them so indicating that it was not unreasonable for the cammer to wait. Whether or not he was correct to wait I am quite clear that it was uncivil for the BMW to push past. After the BMW has gone past the cammer has no choice but to wait for the next car.

[Funk]

The issue is that in most towns or cities that's just the kind of give-and-take you HAVE to do to make progress. The cammer could've been sat there for hours if they were to allow every single oncoming vehicle that far away to come through.

[johnao]

waremark said:

After the BMW has gone past the cammer has no choice but to wait for the next car.

If by "wait for the next car" you mean wait for the blue car that followed the BMW, I would agree. But that in itself wouldn't prevent the cammer then following the blue car through and making progress. The cammer didn't have to go all indignant, press the save button on his dash cam device, and mutter to himself about the impatience of BMW drivers, at the same time as lifting his foot from the clutch, or taking his foot off the brake of his auto, and edging forward three feet. The oncoming car had by then stopped, so the BMW and blue car (and cammer if he'd followed the blue car), having established presence, were OK to proceed.

When the BMW overtook [read... when the cammer should have moved forward] the oncoming car was a relatively long way off and there would have been nothing wrong with the cammer establishing presence in the piece of road immediately in front of him. Instead of which the BMW driver decided to take the initiative and do exactly that.

So, the cammer missed two opportunities to proceed, first in front of the BMW, and second, following the blue car. It's not looking good.

As well as the indecision I suspect the cammer's attention was distracted by indignation.

Indecision combined with indignation is never a good combination when driving.

However, if by "wait for the next car" you mean the oncoming car I would disagree, for the reasons stated above.

Edited by johnao on Thursday 12th August 16:39

Edited by johnao on Thursday 12th August 16:44

[waremark]

johnao said:

If by "wait for the next car" you mean wait for the blue car that followed the BMW, I would agree. But that in itself wouldn't prevent the cammer then following the blue car through and making progress........

However, if by "wait for the next car" you mean the oncoming car I would disagree, for the reasons stated above.

I meant the blue car, and I agree about what happened afterwards ‐ the cammer concentrated on being indignant instead of following the blue car through. I still maintain it was uncivil of the BMW to push past instead of respecting the cammer's decision to wait. I expect better manners from my fellow BMW drivers - leave that sort of thing to you Audi drivers.

[johnao]

waremark said:

johnao said:

If by "wait for the next car" you mean wait for the blue car that followed the BMW, I would agree. But that in itself wouldn't prevent the cammer then following the blue car through and making progress........

However, if by "wait for the next car" you mean the oncoming car I would disagree, for the reasons stated above.

I meant the blue car, and I agree about what happened afterwards ? the cammer concentrated on being indignant instead of following the blue car through. I still maintain it was uncivil of the BMW to push past instead of respecting the cammer's decision to wait. I expect better manners from my fellow BMW drivers - leave that sort of thing to you Audi drivers.

How very observant of you! When driving the BMW I am the very model of civility, the perfect gentleman, always assisting drivers of Aston Martins and other exotica to easily pass. But, when I get behind the wheel of the Audi, I don’t know what comes over me, I’m transformed into a person even I don’t like, none shall pass and everyone shall be overtaken, becomes my mantra. Everyone else on the road is a complete idiot; if I’m going significantly faster than they are why do I have to give signal anyway?.

[anonymous-user]

What a knob. In a white tank too.

[johnao]

Mr Spoon said:

What a knob. In a white tank too.

Er, I think the cammer’s car is grey, not white.

[anonymous-user]

johnao said:

Mr Spoon said:

What a knob. In a white tank too.

Er, I think the cammer’s car is grey, not white.

Then the cammer can't be the knob then....