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Someone has made a complaint about my driving.
They’ve captured on dash cam, put it on YouTube and emailed the link to work.
The back story is that the lead car at the island in lane 1 was not moving anywhere. A queue had developed with about 15 cars in and I came up the right hand lane to the island and turned left.
There is just left or right at this particular island, there is no straight on.
There are also 2 lanes in and 2 lanes out.
So there is little possibility for a conflict of interests in this particular instance.
That’s said, I was watching and in the event someone was going right from lane 1 I’d have just simply go round with them, done a 450° turn and carried on my way.
So I would argue that what I did was not dangerous and if it was, then to whom?
I would also argue it’s not even discourteous, as no one was impacted by this manoeuvre in any way. No one had to brake and no one swerved.
Despite driving a white van as part of my job, I don’t tailgate, I treat pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists with the upmost courtesy and respect and I don’t lose it with learners and always come down to 30 by the time I’ve entered a 30. So not completely irresponsible.
The incident occurred where the A41 is met by the A518.
https://goo.gl/maps/i1iiQbXn9oxJRgFK6
I am travelling along the A518 approaching the island having come from Telford.
As I said I take my driving very seriously, I will take on board any comments with a view to self improvement. Accordingly, I now put myself on trial, but before people whose skills and experience I value.
However, I would stress I am aware of the Highway Code and what it says about lane choice...
I am also aware lane choice is advisory and not mandatory.
And as I said, I’m only using lane2 because 10 or more cars are sat in lane 1 doing nothing,
whilst lane 2 is doing nothing.
I don’t slow for the island because I can see the way ahead and to my right is clear.
Here is a link to the clip
https://youtu.be/V-MkwakCLIs
They’ve captured on dash cam, put it on YouTube and emailed the link to work.
The back story is that the lead car at the island in lane 1 was not moving anywhere. A queue had developed with about 15 cars in and I came up the right hand lane to the island and turned left.
There is just left or right at this particular island, there is no straight on.
There are also 2 lanes in and 2 lanes out.
So there is little possibility for a conflict of interests in this particular instance.
That’s said, I was watching and in the event someone was going right from lane 1 I’d have just simply go round with them, done a 450° turn and carried on my way.
So I would argue that what I did was not dangerous and if it was, then to whom?
I would also argue it’s not even discourteous, as no one was impacted by this manoeuvre in any way. No one had to brake and no one swerved.
Despite driving a white van as part of my job, I don’t tailgate, I treat pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists with the upmost courtesy and respect and I don’t lose it with learners and always come down to 30 by the time I’ve entered a 30. So not completely irresponsible.
The incident occurred where the A41 is met by the A518.
https://goo.gl/maps/i1iiQbXn9oxJRgFK6
I am travelling along the A518 approaching the island having come from Telford.
As I said I take my driving very seriously, I will take on board any comments with a view to self improvement. Accordingly, I now put myself on trial, but before people whose skills and experience I value.
However, I would stress I am aware of the Highway Code and what it says about lane choice...
I am also aware lane choice is advisory and not mandatory.
And as I said, I’m only using lane2 because 10 or more cars are sat in lane 1 doing nothing,
whilst lane 2 is doing nothing.
I don’t slow for the island because I can see the way ahead and to my right is clear.
Here is a link to the clip
https://youtu.be/V-MkwakCLIs
Edited by Rawhide66 on Sunday 11th July 10:49
Edited by Rawhide66 on Sunday 11th July 10:50
Edited by Rawhide66 on Sunday 11th July 10:51
Edited by Rawhide66 on Sunday 11th July 11:00
too fast, you weren't in control if something happened, like the slow guy in lane 1 doing the expected unexpected as he's confused/distracted.
understandable to be frustrated, but these ditherers are most likely to do something odd without looking. and so it's not unexpected.
and because you're in a white van it's twice as bad
(same as with sports cars, witnesses always unconsciously add 10-20mph)
understandable to be frustrated, but these ditherers are most likely to do something odd without looking. and so it's not unexpected.
and because you're in a white van it's twice as bad
(same as with sports cars, witnesses always unconsciously add 10-20mph)Rawhide66 said:
The back story is that the lead car at the island in lane 1 was not moving anywhere. A queue had developed with about 15 cars in and I came up the right hand lane to the island and turned left.
Here is a link to the clip
https://youtu.be/V-MkwakCLIs
AFAICS the vehicles in lane 1 ARE moving Here is a link to the clip
https://youtu.be/V-MkwakCLIs
Was it the case that there was a long queue in L1 and you wanted to overtake them all?
Not something I would do, plus how soon the exit lane narrows from two to one, we don’t know, but it does, as the sign shows.
To make the manoeuvre you did, you must be familiar with the layout, perhaps too familiar. The front vehicle is not indicating left (although it does go left) and you were not in a position to see it’s left indicator, even if it was going left. It could well have gone straight on.
Too many possibilities of conflict for my liking.
To make the manoeuvre you did, you must be familiar with the layout, perhaps too familiar. The front vehicle is not indicating left (although it does go left) and you were not in a position to see it’s left indicator, even if it was going left. It could well have gone straight on.
Too many possibilities of conflict for my liking.
At the speed you were going and how committed you were to the left turn I would suggest you wouldn’t have been able to avoid the car had it decided to change its course. You took a bit of a gamble to skip the queue and hoped the roundabout was clear for you to carry the speed onto it. It ultimately paid off for you.
It’s the sort of thing we all see multiple times a day and other than someone capturing it on their dashcam for a YouTube compilation and maybe feeling aggrieved that you got ahead of them, it’s forgotten about rather quickly.
Did you commit an awful crime? No you didn’t.
Would you have done that with a police car sitting in the queue? You already know the answer
It’s the sort of thing we all see multiple times a day and other than someone capturing it on their dashcam for a YouTube compilation and maybe feeling aggrieved that you got ahead of them, it’s forgotten about rather quickly.
Did you commit an awful crime? No you didn’t.
Would you have done that with a police car sitting in the queue? You already know the answer
Pica-Pica said:
Not something I would do, plus how soon the exit lane narrows from two to one, we don’t know, but it does, as the sign shows.
To make the manoeuvre you did, you must be familiar with the layout, perhaps too familiar. The front vehicle is not indicating left (although it does go left) and you were not in a position to see it’s left indicator, even if it was going left. It could well have gone straight on.
Too many possibilities of conflict for my liking.
I did say in the text straight on isn’t an option and if I turned left then I could have turned right so I could have avoided an unexpected manoeuvre that I was already expecting.To make the manoeuvre you did, you must be familiar with the layout, perhaps too familiar. The front vehicle is not indicating left (although it does go left) and you were not in a position to see it’s left indicator, even if it was going left. It could well have gone straight on.
Too many possibilities of conflict for my liking.
You skipped the main course and gone straight for pudding...
The filter lane is about 400 metres long. If it was a little short one that would have just been too rude.
Edited by Rawhide66 on Sunday 11th July 11:38
JamesRF said:
At the speed you were going and how committed you were to the left turn I would suggest you wouldn’t have been able to avoid the car had it decided to change its course. You took a bit of a gamble to skip the queue and hoped the roundabout was clear for you to carry the speed onto it. It ultimately paid off for you.
It’s the sort of thing we all see multiple times a day and other than someone capturing it on their dashcam for a YouTube compilation and maybe feeling aggrieved that you got ahead of them, it’s forgotten about rather quickly.
Did you commit an awful crime? No you didn’t.
Would you have done that with a police car sitting in the queue? You already know the answer
She’s put it on Twitter and tagged the police apparently..I’m expecting a T-pac hard stop any day now.It’s the sort of thing we all see multiple times a day and other than someone capturing it on their dashcam for a YouTube compilation and maybe feeling aggrieved that you got ahead of them, it’s forgotten about rather quickly.
Did you commit an awful crime? No you didn’t.
Would you have done that with a police car sitting in the queue? You already know the answer
Countdown said:
Just had a look at the Google Streetview and it looks like there's only 1 lane on approach although there's apace for two vehicles side by side at the very end. How did you manage to overtake a long line of traffic without going into the hatchings?
Because the road has been made into a dual carriageway since the google van went round.A quick look at the google satellite image above will confirm this.
Doesn't look a safe and considerate move to me. I understand there is no straight ahead option, but it wouldn't have needed much to go wrong, and at the speed you appear to be going, there would be no options. Also, after you have turned left, you are required to filter into the a single lane, which would require some luck, or aggression.
This is not to say I am an expert on the highway code, or even a mediocre driver, but that's how it looks to me.
Mind you, I don't think I would have been bothered to post on youtube either.
This is not to say I am an expert on the highway code, or even a mediocre driver, but that's how it looks to me.
Mind you, I don't think I would have been bothered to post on youtube either.
Rawhide66 said:
Someone has made a complaint about my driving.
They’ve captured on dash cam, put it on YouTube and emailed the link to work.
The back story is that the lead car at the island in lane 1 was not moving anywhere. A queue had developed with about 15 cars in and I came up the right hand lane to the island and turned left.
There is just left or right at this particular island, there is no straight on.
There are also 2 lanes in and 2 lanes out.
So there is little possibility for a conflict of interests in this particular instance.
That’s said, I was watching and in the event someone was going right from lane 1 I’d have just simply go round with them, done a 450° turn and carried on my way.
So I would argue that what I did was not dangerous and if it was, then to whom?
I would also argue it’s not even discourteous, as no one was impacted by this manoeuvre in any way. No one had to brake and no one swerved.
Despite driving a white van as part of my job, I don’t tailgate, I treat pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists with the upmost courtesy and respect and I don’t lose it with learners and always come down to 30 by the time I’ve entered a 30. So not completely irresponsible.
The incident occurred where the A41 is met by the A518.
https://goo.gl/maps/i1iiQbXn9oxJRgFK6
I am travelling along the A518 approaching the island having come from Telford.
As I said I take my driving very seriously, I will take on board any comments with a view to self improvement. Accordingly, I now put myself on trial, but before people whose skills and experience I value.
However, I would stress I am aware of the Highway Code and what it says about lane choice...
I am also aware lane choice is advisory and not mandatory.
And as I said, I’m only using lane2 because 10 or more cars are sat in lane 1 doing nothing,
whilst lane 2 is doing nothing.
I don’t slow for the island because I can see the way ahead and to my right is clear.
Here is a link to the clip
https://youtu.be/V-MkwakCLIs
Why would you go 1-1/4 times around the roundabout? I think you mean a 270 turn. A 450 would have you turning right.They’ve captured on dash cam, put it on YouTube and emailed the link to work.
The back story is that the lead car at the island in lane 1 was not moving anywhere. A queue had developed with about 15 cars in and I came up the right hand lane to the island and turned left.
There is just left or right at this particular island, there is no straight on.
There are also 2 lanes in and 2 lanes out.
So there is little possibility for a conflict of interests in this particular instance.
That’s said, I was watching and in the event someone was going right from lane 1 I’d have just simply go round with them, done a 450° turn and carried on my way.
So I would argue that what I did was not dangerous and if it was, then to whom?
I would also argue it’s not even discourteous, as no one was impacted by this manoeuvre in any way. No one had to brake and no one swerved.
Despite driving a white van as part of my job, I don’t tailgate, I treat pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists with the upmost courtesy and respect and I don’t lose it with learners and always come down to 30 by the time I’ve entered a 30. So not completely irresponsible.
The incident occurred where the A41 is met by the A518.
https://goo.gl/maps/i1iiQbXn9oxJRgFK6
I am travelling along the A518 approaching the island having come from Telford.
As I said I take my driving very seriously, I will take on board any comments with a view to self improvement. Accordingly, I now put myself on trial, but before people whose skills and experience I value.
However, I would stress I am aware of the Highway Code and what it says about lane choice...
I am also aware lane choice is advisory and not mandatory.
And as I said, I’m only using lane2 because 10 or more cars are sat in lane 1 doing nothing,
whilst lane 2 is doing nothing.
I don’t slow for the island because I can see the way ahead and to my right is clear.
Here is a link to the clip
https://youtu.be/V-MkwakCLIs
Edited by Rawhide66 on Sunday 11th July 10:49
Edited by Rawhide66 on Sunday 11th July 10:50
Edited by Rawhide66 on Sunday 11th July 10:51
Edited by Rawhide66 on Sunday 11th July 11:00
I would have considered the 270 turn but not your approach.
Rawhide66 said:
Pica-Pica said:
Not something I would do, plus how soon the exit lane narrows from two to one, we don’t know, but it does, as the sign shows.
To make the manoeuvre you did, you must be familiar with the layout, perhaps too familiar. The front vehicle is not indicating left (although it does go left) and you were not in a position to see it’s left indicator, even if it was going left. It could well have gone straight on.
Too many possibilities of conflict for my liking.
I did say in the text straight on isn’t an option and if I turned left then I could have turned right so I could have avoided an unexpected manoeuvre that I was already expecting.To make the manoeuvre you did, you must be familiar with the layout, perhaps too familiar. The front vehicle is not indicating left (although it does go left) and you were not in a position to see it’s left indicator, even if it was going left. It could well have gone straight on.
Too many possibilities of conflict for my liking.
You skipped the main course and gone straight for pudding...
The filter lane is about 400 metres long. If it was a little short one that would have just been too rude.
Edited by Rawhide66 on Sunday 11th July 11:38
Tbh if you had just been pottering up and did that move I doubt there would have been an issue I think it’s the speed that’s triggered them. I’m personally in the mind of it is fast and maybe a bit cheeky if most people are left lane left, right lane right but also in the camp of thank f
k some people get a move on when it’s blatantly clear and not fking about causing unnecessary ques.
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