Advanced driving with an underpowered car

[savoiringfaire]

Hi All,

Over the past year or so I've been working on my advanced driving skills solo - mostly using reglocals videos, books, and a copy of the advanced driving handbook.

I intend to sign up to an IAM course at some point, but so far have felt that I would get more out of it if I waited a few years and completed it with a slightly more powerful car than my 1.2 corsa (86hp) - things like overtaking and making good progress come to mind. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience in either taking or observing an advanced driving course in a lower-powered car like that, what their experiences have been, and if they would recommend holding off for an upgrade or just going for it.

Thanks,
Savoir

[Salted_Peanut]

I began in a low-powered car and recommend just going for it

In many ways, it's better to start in something low-powered: you can work on getting good at the basics, and driving "systematically", without the overtaking expectations that come with a faster vehicle.

[66mpg]

86bhp? Luxury!
I did mine, and more in a Diesel Yaris with 74bhp. You’ll be fine. I hope you enjoy your training, more power can follow later.

[kippertie]

No such thing as underpowered when you start. Power corrupts and gets in the way of the basics.

[savoiringfaire]

Aha, thanks all for replying! I hadn't considered the argument that less power gives more opportunity to focus on the systematic driving which makes perfect sense. I think you've convinced me to just make the jump in that case - and worse case I suppose is if I want to go back and focus more on the other stuff after passing the first time I can always pay the (small) fee again and focus on that later.

Thanks,
Savoir

[waremark]

Savoir, I agree with the advice that you should go ahead. So far as the power of your Corsa is concerned, it is by no means under-powered in the context of strictly legal driving which is all that you can work on with the advanced driving charities. Bear in mind that you should not plan an overtake on a single carriageway road unless you can reasonably expect to complete it without exceeding 60 mph.

[savoiringfaire]

waremark said:

Savoir, I agree with the advice that you should go ahead. So far as the power of your Corsa is concerned, it is by no means under-powered in the context of strictly legal driving which is all that you can work on with the advanced driving charities. Bear in mind that you should not plan an overtake on a single carriageway road unless you can reasonably expect to complete it without exceeding 60 mph.

Thanks for the reply - I was more concerned about the acceleration for the overtaking (whilst still maintaining a speed below 60) where it often feels like situations where I'd be able to overtake safely in other cars I've owned with better acceleration take much longer (and so often aren't on) just due to the acceleration time. Though maybe that's just because I'm not in a low enough gear - Usually when there's the possibility of an overtake i'll end up in a gear putting me around the 2500-3000rpm mark to (a) not put too much stress on the engine for too long and (b) give enough lee-way to overtake without needing a gear change. Or maybe I'm just underestimating what the car can do It can do 0-60 in 13-ish seconds so should be able to do 40-60 much quicker. Of course, I assume this is all stuff that would be gone over with the observer during a course so even more reason to just take the leap and do it

[savoiringfaire]

anonymous said:

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Oh, I don't think there's anything wrong with that - and it is in fact what I do plenty of times when driving, and as you say that in itself can, and often does, provide plenty of enjoyment. My primary concern was that I wouldn't get quite as much 'value-for-money' out of an advanced driving course with a diminished ability to cover certain topics - an idea which has been thoroughly debunked now

[tylerjackoliver]

To add yet another experience to an already decided topic - I passed my IAM last year in a 62bhp Citroen C1. While I never got to do a considerable number of overtakes during the training (2 I think?), we just practised on unknowing cyclists instead. Progress was never a problem.

Fully recommended in any car. Have since driven 500bhp+ cars owned by friends and the techniques are exactly the same.

[savoiringfaire]

tylerjackoliver said:

To add yet another experience to an already decided topic - I passed my IAM last year in a 62bhp Citroen C1. While I never got to do a considerable number of overtakes during the training (2 I think?), we just practised on unknowing cyclists instead. Progress was never a problem.

Fully recommended in any car. Have since driven 500bhp+ cars owned by friends and the techniques are exactly the same.

Thanks for the input! Nothing wrong with even more experiences

[savoiringfaire]

anonymous said:

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Ah yeah, hadn't considered that. For £150 I can always go back with a more powerful car down the line and focus on those things at that stage I suppose - in the whole scheme of things £150 for that is nothing.

[Salted_Peanut]

It'll be far less than £150 (once you're already a member). If you choose to join as a fellow once you've passed, then you get a three-yearly refresher thrown in. Plus, there are options beyond 'entry level' like aiming for a First or taking the Masters programme.

Have fun!

[savoiringfaire]

Salted_Peanut said:

It'll be far less than £150 (once you're already a member). If you choose to join as a fellow once you've passed, then you get a three-yearly refresher thrown in. Plus, there are options beyond 'entry level' like aiming for a First or taking the Masters programme.

Have fun!

Ah, even better! Thanks

[davidc1]

I have a 60hp SEAT mii and a boxster spyder 981.
I love driving and love driving both.
Power does not mean more fun.
Good luck.

[Nearlyretired]

I cannot see the connection between advanced driving and car output/power.
Driving to a high standard is an attitude of mind.
Consideration,tolerance,patience and discipline.

[Boosted LS1]

OP plan your overtakes half an hour sooner to gain some speed on the run up.

[waremark]

Boosted LS1 said:

OP plan your overtakes half an hour sooner to gain some speed on the run up.

If you do that when do you think you are committed to the overtake?

Are you familiar with the roadcraft triangle system for overtaking?

[silverfoxcc]

The thing that was told to us more than once at The Crewe Driving School was

If i make 'this' move'

will it affect any other drivers course, direction or speed

If the answer to any of them is YES

Then do not do it

This can be assessed quite easily during the mirror/signal sequence

Unfortunately that is not drummed into the heads of Learner drivers today

Oh i want to change lanes Move indicate.... meanwhile i am sitting hard on the brakes trusting you will not side swipe me or i dont thrutch you up the rear These ones are very hard to guess

[kippertie]

What you describe there are bad habits that develop after the test....

[Uncle Deryck]

kippertie said:

What you describe there are bad habits that develop after the test....

Unfortunately they are getting more common. I would think most drivers who actually pay attention and look for other signals will spot when a car is going to move lanes without using the indicator.

I was also taught as a learner driver that I should not do anything that would cause another driver to take any avoiding action such as brakes, changing direction, etc. My instructor was aiming this mainly at pulling out from junctions with the caveat that I should be up to the speed limit or speed of traffic flow before any car needs to take action.