Is this skill or luck ?

Is this skill or luck ?

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turbojay555

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226 posts

160 months

Tuesday 14th May 2019
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1biLpbAuJho&t=...

Police on a blue light run almost overcook it on the bend, looks to me like it's just on the verge of losing it, i think that officer is very lucky no to have been involved in a head on even though 1 of the guys in the comments who is a ambulance driver says it's good driving and exactly where he would be on a response.

DuraAce

4,255 posts

167 months

Tuesday 14th May 2019
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Pure luck imho. Imagine that camera was in a bus/hgv instead of a car - potentially a very different outcome. Doubtful plod had much visibility around that bend.

Shouldn't be pushing on as hard as that.

ScoobyChris

1,812 posts

209 months

Tuesday 14th May 2019
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Not an ideal line, but doesn't look like he's overcooking it either - just running a bit wide and it's corrected soon enough. I made the mistake of watching on and had to stop - the driving by the dashcam cars was cringeworthy with very little anticipation or awareness of what's unfolding in front of them.

Chris

jamesRS6

55 posts

107 months

Tuesday 14th May 2019
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He's going too fast for that bend in that car imo. Just pure luck he doesn't hit the camera car.

Reg Local

2,690 posts

215 months

Tuesday 14th May 2019
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Speed was ok for that bend. The mistake the police driver made was committing to a line which took them offside on the exit, which would have been fine if the camera car wasn’t there, but it was.

The fact that the driver was able to tighten their line & return to the nearside means that the car wasn’t actually at the limit,

It was uncomfortably close though...

anonymous-user

61 months

Tuesday 14th May 2019
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Crap driving. Lucky the camera car wasn't further forward, a bigger vehicle or travelling faster.

p4cks

7,013 posts

206 months

Tuesday 14th May 2019
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ScoobyChris said:
Not an ideal line, but doesn't look like he's overcooking it either - just running a bit wide and it's corrected soon enough. I made the mistake of watching on and had to stop - the driving by the dashcam cars was cringeworthy with very little anticipation or awareness of what's unfolding in front of them.

Chris
Same here. It’s almost like they’re hoping for some action to be able to upload.

Haltamer

2,554 posts

87 months

Wednesday 15th May 2019
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Clenched bottom moment for all involved I'd say; He's certainly taken a rather agressive line through there - as others have said though, not on the ragged edge as it was pulled back in fairly quickly.

I daresay the fact it's an X5 rather than a nice, low traffic car probably didn't help tongue out

StressedDave

842 posts

269 months

Wednesday 15th May 2019
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More a case of not enough steering in the first place and not appreciating the rising ground to my mind. It was a little brown trousery for all concerned though.

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with Reg though. Back when (and it's 18 years now) I investigated RTAs (which does indeed show my age), not a single 'overcooked it' accident of the type shown in the video ever led to an impact on the outside of a bend. It was always a case of some degree of lifting off followed by a nice oversteery spin into the immovable object on the inside.

The rest of the video is worth watching. It's almost like dashcam owners have decided that submitting footage is like You've Been Framed and are actively putting themselves in risky positions just so they can act superior. Pretty much all of them could have been defused by looking a bit further ahead or not being a tt and sitting in the blind spot whilst slowly undertaking a car sitting in the outside lane at their own indicated 70mph.

Pica-Pica

14,474 posts

91 months

Wednesday 15th May 2019
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To me it seems that on that dry road, the police driver decided to straight line that S- bend, and was pulling back into their own side. I don’t agree it was anywhere near over-cooked, an AWD like that would easily pull the car back straight - a saloon AWD even more so. I would not try that personally.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

125 months

Wednesday 15th May 2019
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He defo over cooked it.... understeer central.

Dixy

3,142 posts

212 months

Wednesday 15th May 2019
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If another driver has to brake or change direction because of your action you have failed.

WilliamWoollard

2,362 posts

200 months

Wednesday 15th May 2019
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Reg Local said:
Speed was ok for that bend...
You think he could stop in the distance he could see to be clear?

mac96

4,434 posts

150 months

Wednesday 15th May 2019
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WilliamWoollard said:
Reg Local said:
Speed was ok for that bend...
You think he could stop in the distance he could see to be clear?
That was my thought as soon as I saw the video- didn't look as if he was out of control, but what if there had been a parked car or other obstruction? He couldn't see through the hedge.

Skellum

89 posts

74 months

Thursday 16th May 2019
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If anything other than a police car on a run had done this we'd happily call it for what it is; very poor.
He's barely under control on the exit and only just makes it back to his on side.
BMW barge doesn't help of course.

If in doubt, as yourself what the police driver would do with the roles reversed.

Dromedary66

1,924 posts

145 months

Thursday 16th May 2019
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WilliamWoollard said:
You think he could stop in the distance he could see to be clear?
Just a copper defending another one regardless.

DocSteve

718 posts

229 months

Sunday 26th May 2019
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Reg Local said:
Speed was ok for that bend. The mistake the police driver made was committing to a line which took them offside on the exit, which would have been fine if the camera car wasn’t there, but it was.

The fact that the driver was able to tighten their line & return to the nearside means that the car wasn’t actually at the limit,

It was uncomfortably close though...
From what I can see, I agree with this also. The approach to the bend should have been to set up for a tight in on exit position, which should be the case for all left hand bends on the road that are not completely open - this affords the greatest degree of safety. The road is not a racetrack where you can let the car drift out on exit, unless the bend is open with excellent visibility.

cml24

1,449 posts

154 months

Monday 27th May 2019
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I like the driver of the Clio a few minute further on. 407 estate follows an ambulance to barge in front of a several cars. Clio quickly takes its rightful place and then waves through the other driver that's been overtaken!

Munka01

484 posts

146 months

Monday 27th May 2019
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cml24 said:
I like the driver of the Clio a few minute further on. 407 estate follows an ambulance to barge in front of a several cars. Clio quickly takes its rightful place and then waves through the other driver that's been overtaken!
I liked this a lot too and is the sort of thing I would do, top marks to Clio driver.





PantsFire

519 posts

87 months

Monday 27th May 2019
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That was a terrible line, you can't put yourself in a position where you're on the wrong side of the divide and unable to get back across and he was that, if the dash cam car was a few feet down the road someone would have lost a wing mirror or worse.

Edited by PantsFire on Monday 27th May 13:44