Letting cars out before turning off...tell me I'm wrong
Discussion
A point of great annoyance, which I see more and more, is people who, before turning off a main road, flash others (such as tractors!) out onto the main road in front of them. Am I being completely unreasonable to see this as bad form? To me it's similar to someone letting a family of 8 take their place in a ticket queue as they decide to duck out. Polite, yes, but ultimately incredibly inconsiderate to anyone else on behind them. I feel like it's the same type of people who would speed up to try and stop someone overtaking, as they see it as 'pushing in'. A bizarre magnification of being English.....
Not sure why, but I feel it's slightly different to letting someone out of a junction if you're carrying on the same way. That's fairly acceptable as they are making their own decision to sit behind someone else. But effectively forcing those behind to deal with your choice seems a little inconsiderate.
So. Tell me I'm being totally unreasonable
Not sure why, but I feel it's slightly different to letting someone out of a junction if you're carrying on the same way. That's fairly acceptable as they are making their own decision to sit behind someone else. But effectively forcing those behind to deal with your choice seems a little inconsiderate.
So. Tell me I'm being totally unreasonable
They're making the decision to let somebody else out ahead of you either way, so I don't see a difference to you whether they stay on the road after letting them out or not.
If anything you are better off if he lets someone out & then turns off than if he lets someone out & stays on the road.
If anything you are better off if he lets someone out & then turns off than if he lets someone out & stays on the road.
Edited by vonhosen on Thursday 6th July 16:47
Like all things, it depends.
If it's a tractor say, and you are the only car behind and the tractor would easily be able to join after you pass, I would say that's thoughtless.
If it's a slow/busy road and they are not going to impede anyone more than the car that's just turning off, why not.
And shades of grey in between.
Don't have much of a problem with it
If it's a tractor say, and you are the only car behind and the tractor would easily be able to join after you pass, I would say that's thoughtless.
If it's a slow/busy road and they are not going to impede anyone more than the car that's just turning off, why not.
And shades of grey in between.
Don't have much of a problem with it
Gary C said:
Like all things, it depends.
If it's a tractor say, and you are the only car behind and the tractor would easily be able to join after you pass, I would say that's thoughtless.
If it's a slow/busy road and they are not going to impede anyone more than the car that's just turning off, why not.
And shades of grey in between.
Don't have much of a problem with it
Yeah, I'd agree with that. I suppose I'm thinking more of the situation when there is no one else behind you. And of course, there's all the added grey area of potentially causing someone to pull out in front of a car coming the other way.....If it's a tractor say, and you are the only car behind and the tractor would easily be able to join after you pass, I would say that's thoughtless.
If it's a slow/busy road and they are not going to impede anyone more than the car that's just turning off, why not.
And shades of grey in between.
Don't have much of a problem with it
Quite annoying, but not half as annoying as....
Those that let people out turning right across queued traffic at traffic lights when the lights turn green, thus inevitably being stuck across the line of queued cars whilst waiting for a gap on thee other side of the road. People should be let out in this scenario when the lights turn red.
Those that let people out turning right across queued traffic at traffic lights when the lights turn green, thus inevitably being stuck across the line of queued cars whilst waiting for a gap on thee other side of the road. People should be let out in this scenario when the lights turn red.
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ks to you op.
If people didn't let people out, you'd be waiting at side roads all day. Flashing people out when you're turning just allows the road to be more efficient, so people know your turn signal is real and you're slowing.
Try letting people out o your monday commute. You'll arrive max 2 minutes later, and with a much happier journey.
ks to you op.If people didn't let people out, you'd be waiting at side roads all day. Flashing people out when you're turning just allows the road to be more efficient, so people know your turn signal is real and you're slowing.
Try letting people out o your monday commute. You'll arrive max 2 minutes later, and with a much happier journey.
You're being unreasonable. And also sound a bit like a petulant impatient child.
Genuinely I don't mean that to be personal but I do this all the time. Partly because it means I can turn into the junction and cut a bit as there isn't a car waiting, partly to be nice.
You know, being nice. To other people.
Genuinely I don't mean that to be personal but I do this all the time. Partly because it means I can turn into the junction and cut a bit as there isn't a car waiting, partly to be nice.
You know, being nice. To other people.
TimmyMallett said:
it means I can turn into the junction and cut a bit as there isn't a car waiting, partly to be nice.
You know, being nice. To other people.
Yes I tend to do this too. I'm not sure I'd let a tractor or horse box or caravan out though.You know, being nice. To other people.
I think it's good manners when, say, turning right to let a car out that's on the junction if there's nothing coming from his right.
Some Gump said:
bks to you op.
How very rude.ks to you op.Some Gump said:
If people didn't let people out, you'd be waiting at side roads all day. Flashing people out when you're turning just allows the road to be more efficient, so people know your turn signal is real and you're slowing.
You've not heard about the scam, then? Flash someone out, then drive into his side and claim for whiplash.Regardless of that, I'm with the OP. I never hold back traffic when I'm turning off to let someone out, my loyalty belongs to those who have been following me and I would be guilty of bad manners if I dumped another car out in front of them.
mybrainhurts said:
my loyalty belongs to those who have been following
A driver loyalty scheme? How fascinating!Have you polled these following drivers to ask them if they'd be disappointed in you, or are these the voices in your head?
Genuine question though, I'm being a bit flippant.
Edited by TimmyMallett on Friday 7th July 21:44
Edited by TimmyMallett on Friday 7th July 21:46. My piss poor spelling
Edited by TimmyMallett on Friday 7th July 21:46
Do sometimes let drivers out, depends on the situation. Mainly if I'm going to be sitting in a queue just a bit ahead and they're turning right... why not? If the traffic is moving but heavy, you can end upsetting a lot of people behind you. If they can pull out after the next car, it's not worth the petrol. What is very annoying though is when I stop on a roundabout (busy city). Before holier than thou, I'm always extremely considerate when doing so - I don't block the traffic. Typically, I'm going straight ahead. Then, some twunt comes up the road I'm keeping clear and turns left infront of me when the traffic starts moving! I hate that.
Andy Morrison told me off for letting someone across in front of me. He was on a bike that was threading its way through traffic when someone let a car out of a side exit & its driver didn't look, knocking him over.
Are you making yourself liable if you flash someone across or out of a side road and a collision happens?
Are you making yourself liable if you flash someone across or out of a side road and a collision happens?
The priorities we were all taught were that the car turning in to the junction goes first.
Messing with that order out of courtesy just leads to confusion in many cases. Since there's no means whatsoever of altering the rules or agreeing what the etiquette is en masse, just do what you were taught and take priority when it's yours.
If your conscience dictates that you absolutely must flash people out under some circumstance or other, don't be offended when the opposite circumstance arises and the other guy doesn't just happen to share your arbitrary interpretation of what makes for courteous driving.
Messing with that order out of courtesy just leads to confusion in many cases. Since there's no means whatsoever of altering the rules or agreeing what the etiquette is en masse, just do what you were taught and take priority when it's yours.
If your conscience dictates that you absolutely must flash people out under some circumstance or other, don't be offended when the opposite circumstance arises and the other guy doesn't just happen to share your arbitrary interpretation of what makes for courteous driving.
Bennet said:
The priorities we were all taught were that the car turning in to the junction goes first.
Messing with that order out of courtesy just leads to confusion in many cases. Since there's no means whatsoever of altering the rules or agreeing what the etiquette is en masse, just do what you were taught and take priority when it's yours.
If your conscience dictates that you absolutely must flash people out under some circumstance or other, don't be offended when the opposite circumstance arises and the other guy doesn't just happen to share your arbitrary interpretation of what makes for courteous driving.
Interestingly, the place on my way to work where this happens a lot was almost the scene of a massive accident this morning. Car 4 or 5 cars ahead of me stopped and flashed cars to go across the junction. Car from the left started to pull out, and then slammed its brakes on as there was a car coming from the opposite direction....Messing with that order out of courtesy just leads to confusion in many cases. Since there's no means whatsoever of altering the rules or agreeing what the etiquette is en masse, just do what you were taught and take priority when it's yours.
If your conscience dictates that you absolutely must flash people out under some circumstance or other, don't be offended when the opposite circumstance arises and the other guy doesn't just happen to share your arbitrary interpretation of what makes for courteous driving.
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I do let people out of or into junctions when traffic permits. By that I mean when it's slow, or when I can adjust the gap between myself and the car in front to make it clear to the other vehicle I'm creating a gap.
I don't flash and extremely rarely use hand signals to indicate I'm being polite. I let the other road user decide if the situation I've created lends itself to them being able to make use of it.
If by creating a gap I'm going to cause issues for other traffic that they will need to react positively to, I'll not do it.
Easier to show in practice than explain...
I don't flash and extremely rarely use hand signals to indicate I'm being polite. I let the other road user decide if the situation I've created lends itself to them being able to make use of it.
If by creating a gap I'm going to cause issues for other traffic that they will need to react positively to, I'll not do it.
Easier to show in practice than explain...
brisel said:
Andy Morrison told me off for letting someone across in front of me. He was on a bike that was threading its way through traffic when someone let a car out of a side exit & its driver didn't look, knocking him over.
Are you making yourself liable if you flash someone across or out of a side road and a collision happens?
One problem here is, if the car is more or less square to the main road, the side road narrow, and the indicator in not flashing, doyou assume the other (blind side) indicator IS the one flashing or are they chancers? Too many of the latter, so I am very wary.Are you making yourself liable if you flash someone across or out of a side road and a collision happens?
brisel said:
Andy Morrison told me off for letting someone across in front of me. He was on a bike that was threading its way through traffic when someone let a car out of a side exit & its driver didn't look, knocking him over.
Are you making yourself liable if you flash someone across or out of a side road and a collision happens?
So the rider of the bike didn't look either and did not consider that filtering at a junction was more hazardous and maybe he should slow down and see what people at the junction were doing?Are you making yourself liable if you flash someone across or out of a side road and a collision happens?
Rule 88 of the highway code says "When in traffic queues look out for pedestrians crossing between vehicles and vehicles emerging from junctions or changing lanes." and "Additionally, when filtering in slow-moving traffic, take care and keep your speed low."
If the rider emerged from the queue behind the car that had stopped you could, possibly, argue that they were not loking out for vehicles emerging from the junction or taking care and that their speed may not have been low enough if they could not see the developing hazard in time to stop themselves when the car pulled out.
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