Im a car design student and im conducting Research,Ques-here
Discussion
1. What are your thoughts on a fully electric hyper car?
2. If you were to dictate a design feature on a hyper car what would you add or change from and currently existing Electric/Hybrid cars?
3. How do you feel about 4 seater hyper car? Or do having extra passenger seats kill the supercar essence?
4. In your own opinion what makes a super car different from the rest sporty cars (besides the obvious performance)? As far as essence of the car, the design and the emotion behind it etc.
5. Would you own a fully electric hyper car if it were to match everything the current standing competition holds and more range? (Porsche 918, Pagani Hayura, Laferrari, Mclaren P1, Bugatti Veyron)
6. How does a 180k – 200k sound to you for a fully electric hyper car? What would you expect from it looking at its price?
2. If you were to dictate a design feature on a hyper car what would you add or change from and currently existing Electric/Hybrid cars?
3. How do you feel about 4 seater hyper car? Or do having extra passenger seats kill the supercar essence?
4. In your own opinion what makes a super car different from the rest sporty cars (besides the obvious performance)? As far as essence of the car, the design and the emotion behind it etc.
5. Would you own a fully electric hyper car if it were to match everything the current standing competition holds and more range? (Porsche 918, Pagani Hayura, Laferrari, Mclaren P1, Bugatti Veyron)
6. How does a 180k – 200k sound to you for a fully electric hyper car? What would you expect from it looking at its price?
Kezington said:
1. What are your thoughts on a fully electric hyper car?
2. If you were to dictate a design feature on a hyper car what would you add or change from and currently existing Electric/Hybrid cars?
3. How do you feel about 4 seater hyper car? Or do having extra passenger seats kill the supercar essence?
4. In your own opinion what makes a super car different from the rest sporty cars (besides the obvious performance)? As far as essence of the car, the design and the emotion behind it etc.
5. Would you own a fully electric hyper car if it were to match everything the current standing competition holds and more range? (Porsche 918, Pagani Hayura, Laferrari, Mclaren P1, Bugatti Veyron)
6. How does a 180k – 200k sound to you for a fully electric hyper car? What would you expect from it looking at its price?
1] Probably great in theory & may be good from an engineering perspective, but what gives it soul?2. If you were to dictate a design feature on a hyper car what would you add or change from and currently existing Electric/Hybrid cars?
3. How do you feel about 4 seater hyper car? Or do having extra passenger seats kill the supercar essence?
4. In your own opinion what makes a super car different from the rest sporty cars (besides the obvious performance)? As far as essence of the car, the design and the emotion behind it etc.
5. Would you own a fully electric hyper car if it were to match everything the current standing competition holds and more range? (Porsche 918, Pagani Hayura, Laferrari, Mclaren P1, Bugatti Veyron)
6. How does a 180k – 200k sound to you for a fully electric hyper car? What would you expect from it looking at its price?
2] Purely design? If so, something that looks genuinely breathtaking and/or different, rather than just something along existing lines plus or minus a bit. Think i8 being a bland hatchback to what I'd like to see.
3] Chances are, those that buy hypercars have various other ways of dealing with that. Four seats is at least one too many (which is only in deference to the F1).
4] It has to have something out of the ordinary, probably more than one thing, unless the one thing is so far removed. The money is generally irrelevant, so it has to be special, which can be many things.
5] Try one, yes, buy one, no. Personally I'd rather have something a step back but with the underlying spirit. Outside of legislative and misguided social pressure, electric suits the likes of Tesla's current stuff far better than why you work hard all week (or spunk the inheritance).
6] It sounds very, very unlikely to me. If very talented, experienced car people can't do it, anything smaller can't, unless there are fair compromises.
What I expect at the price? Depends entirely on where it is coming from. Major manufacturer on a marketing or point proving mission, something. Somewhere between well meaning small timer and shyster, not a lot and downhill from there.
All IMHO, of course
.1. What are your thoughts on a fully electric hyper car? It's workable in my view but the Hypercar marketplace is dominated by older, more trad buyers.
2. If you were to dictate a design feature on a hyper car what would you add or change from and currently existing Electric/Hybrid cars? Better electric range and ground-up repackaging
3. How do you feel about 4 seater hyper car? Or do having extra passenger seats kill the supercar essence? It's good, a repackaged car like the i8 manages it without losing anything
4. In your own opinion what makes a super car different from the rest sporty cars (besides the obvious performance)? As far as essence of the car, the design and the emotion behind it etc. Exotic materials, one-off design, jaw-dropping looks, sound, theatre
5. Would you own a fully electric hyper car if it were to match everything the current standing competition holds and more range? (Porsche 918, Pagani Hayura, Laferrari, Mclaren P1, Bugatti Veyron)
6. How does a 180k – 200k sound to you for a fully electric hyper car? What would you expect from it looking at its price?
2. If you were to dictate a design feature on a hyper car what would you add or change from and currently existing Electric/Hybrid cars? Better electric range and ground-up repackaging
3. How do you feel about 4 seater hyper car? Or do having extra passenger seats kill the supercar essence? It's good, a repackaged car like the i8 manages it without losing anything
4. In your own opinion what makes a super car different from the rest sporty cars (besides the obvious performance)? As far as essence of the car, the design and the emotion behind it etc. Exotic materials, one-off design, jaw-dropping looks, sound, theatre
5. Would you own a fully electric hyper car if it were to match everything the current standing competition holds and more range? (Porsche 918, Pagani Hayura, Laferrari, Mclaren P1, Bugatti Veyron)
6. How does a 180k – 200k sound to you for a fully electric hyper car? What would you expect from it looking at its price?
Not the right forum for hypercar, or even supercar, buyers.
But IMO sound is an absolutely key attribute of such cars, and electric cars don't provide it.
I wonder whether the i8 appeals to the very rich. I suspect not.
If you want to know about expectations at your price level read the long thread on the Noble M600.
And look at the McLaren 570 S/GT.
On 4 seats, look at the rarity and depreciation of the Ferrari FF vs the 2 seat Ferraris.
But IMO sound is an absolutely key attribute of such cars, and electric cars don't provide it.
I wonder whether the i8 appeals to the very rich. I suspect not.
If you want to know about expectations at your price level read the long thread on the Noble M600.
And look at the McLaren 570 S/GT.
On 4 seats, look at the rarity and depreciation of the Ferrari FF vs the 2 seat Ferraris.
1. What are your thoughts on a fully electric hyper car?
MEH
2. If you were to dictate a design feature on a hyper car what would you add or change from and currently existing Electric/Hybrid cars?
Removal of hybrid nonsense for naturally aspirated V10 or V12 and a manual gearbox
3. How do you feel about 4 seater hyper car? Or do having extra passenger seats kill the supercar essence?
its a saloon
4. In your own opinion what makes a super car different from the rest sporty cars (besides the obvious performance)? As far as essence of the car, the design and the emotion behind it etc.
100% emotional purchase
5. Would you own a fully electric hyper car if it were to match everything the current standing competition holds and more range? (Porsche 918, Pagani Hayura, Laferrari, Mclaren P1, Bugatti Veyron)
nope
6. How does a 180k – 200k sound to you for a fully electric hyper car? What would you expect from it looking at its price?
i would expect to go out an buy a 911 GT3 RS, super/hyper cars are about emotion, most of that comes from the visual looks and the sound, electric cars have no sound and are just white goods, even tesla's no matter how fast they are
MEH
2. If you were to dictate a design feature on a hyper car what would you add or change from and currently existing Electric/Hybrid cars?
Removal of hybrid nonsense for naturally aspirated V10 or V12 and a manual gearbox
3. How do you feel about 4 seater hyper car? Or do having extra passenger seats kill the supercar essence?
its a saloon
4. In your own opinion what makes a super car different from the rest sporty cars (besides the obvious performance)? As far as essence of the car, the design and the emotion behind it etc.
100% emotional purchase
5. Would you own a fully electric hyper car if it were to match everything the current standing competition holds and more range? (Porsche 918, Pagani Hayura, Laferrari, Mclaren P1, Bugatti Veyron)
nope
6. How does a 180k – 200k sound to you for a fully electric hyper car? What would you expect from it looking at its price?
i would expect to go out an buy a 911 GT3 RS, super/hyper cars are about emotion, most of that comes from the visual looks and the sound, electric cars have no sound and are just white goods, even tesla's no matter how fast they are
FredClogs said:
The Tesla Model s has 4 seats, is fully electric and in "Ludicrous" Mode will touch 60mpg in ~3secs, and I believe it's around £100k. It's also reasonably rare and orders definitely outpace supply.
Does that not count as a hyper car? If not why not?
Outside of Tesla performance, my project is complete exterior design and with the weight reduction it will be a head of its models. the idea behind it the project is to make a mainstream hypercar, with teslas performance already keeping up with most sportcar and supercars all its left is a new look that fits the competition. also the 4 seats because there is a lot of space with the engine being so small and powerful maybe 4 seater but a coupe cabin, but i am leaning towards just a simple 2 seater. Does that not count as a hyper car? If not why not?
Kezington said:
1. What are your thoughts on a fully electric hyper car?
2. If you were to dictate a design feature on a hyper car what would you add or change from and currently existing Electric/Hybrid cars?
3. How do you feel about 4 seater hyper car? Or do having extra passenger seats kill the supercar essence?
4. In your own opinion what makes a super car different from the rest sporty cars (besides the obvious performance)? As far as essence of the car, the design and the emotion behind it etc.
5. Would you own a fully electric hyper car if it were to match everything the current standing competition holds and more range? (Porsche 918, Pagani Hayura, Laferrari, Mclaren P1, Bugatti Veyron)
6. How does a 180k – 200k sound to you for a fully electric hyper car? What would you expect from it looking at its price?
Just make sure it has loads of cup holders, cars don't have enough cup holders ! , 2. If you were to dictate a design feature on a hyper car what would you add or change from and currently existing Electric/Hybrid cars?
3. How do you feel about 4 seater hyper car? Or do having extra passenger seats kill the supercar essence?
4. In your own opinion what makes a super car different from the rest sporty cars (besides the obvious performance)? As far as essence of the car, the design and the emotion behind it etc.
5. Would you own a fully electric hyper car if it were to match everything the current standing competition holds and more range? (Porsche 918, Pagani Hayura, Laferrari, Mclaren P1, Bugatti Veyron)
6. How does a 180k – 200k sound to you for a fully electric hyper car? What would you expect from it looking at its price?
Kezington said:
Outside of Tesla performance, my project is complete exterior design and with the weight reduction it will be a head of its models. the idea behind it the project is to make a mainstream hypercar, with teslas performance already keeping up with most sportcar and supercars all its left is a new look that fits the competition. also the 4 seats because there is a lot of space with the engine being so small and powerful maybe 4 seater but a coupe cabin, but i am leaning towards just a simple 2 seater.
The only way you'll get any meaningful weight reduction is through battery tech. The model S is a chunky four seater because the range requirements dictated it - the floorpan is effectively all battery (low centre of gravity and inside the wheelbase means that the weight has a lot less effect on the handling), so if you chop it you'll reduce the range. 
Now, to my mind the way that hypercars are going is not extreme performance. People want something special. If I was doing this task I'd make a mood board, and it would have expensive watches, thoroughbred horses, and the Porsche 911R on it.
I'd throw out the idea of a mega-performance car, and consider how much money rich people are happy to spend on ridiculously complicated analogue watches when a £5 Casio is much better for telling the time.
Think the same way, but in cars.
Ferrari made a 1.5 litre V12 back in the 50s. Horrendously complicated. They also supercharged it to make 300hp. Now, if the technology fairies could work their magic on an engine like that (camless valve actuation and variable compression spring to mind) you could conceivably build a high revving multi cylinder petrol engine that met with the 2020 EU economy rules.
Work your magic, and build a modern GT car around a motor like that. Something that takes the soul of a proper car and makes it compatible with modern life.
davepoth said:
Now, to my mind the way that hypercars are going is not extreme performance. People want something special. If I was doing this task I'd make a mood board, and it would have expensive watches, thoroughbred horses, and the Porsche 911R on it.
I'd throw out the idea of a mega-performance car, and consider how much money rich people are happy to spend on ridiculously complicated analogue watches when a £5 Casio is much better for telling the time.
Think the same way, but in cars.
Is that what Spyker attempted - sort of?I'd throw out the idea of a mega-performance car, and consider how much money rich people are happy to spend on ridiculously complicated analogue watches when a £5 Casio is much better for telling the time.
Think the same way, but in cars.
Pagani, Koenigsegg and Tesla have all demonstrated that you can build a car brand from scratch if you can make a sufficiently desirable product.
If you could manage Tesla quality engineering, there might be a market for a much more expensive equivalent to the model S but with higher quality materials and finishes and a promise of more exclusivity.
waremark said:
Is that what Spyker attempted - sort of?
Pagani, Koenigsegg and Tesla have all demonstrated that you can build a car brand from scratch if you can make a sufficiently desirable product.
If you could manage Tesla quality engineering, there might be a market for a much more expensive equivalent to the model S but with higher quality materials and finishes and a promise of more exclusivity.
But if you're building a hypercar, you're building something to sell to the people who spend the summer driving them around Knightsbridge at 3mph. You need something obnoxious for that, and a Tesla derivative is too sensible for that. Pagani, Koenigsegg and Tesla have all demonstrated that you can build a car brand from scratch if you can make a sufficiently desirable product.
If you could manage Tesla quality engineering, there might be a market for a much more expensive equivalent to the model S but with higher quality materials and finishes and a promise of more exclusivity.
Build a car that sounds like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZMPDCNyQxE
and everyone will be staring at you, even if you haven't had the car covered in gold leaf or tricked out with LEDs so it looks like a prop from Tron.
davepoth said:
waremark said:
Is that what Spyker attempted - sort of?
Pagani, Koenigsegg and Tesla have all demonstrated that you can build a car brand from scratch if you can make a sufficiently desirable product.
If you could manage Tesla quality engineering, there might be a market for a much more expensive equivalent to the model S but with higher quality materials and finishes and a promise of more exclusivity.
But if you're building a hypercar, you're building something to sell to the people who spend the summer driving them around Knightsbridge at 3mph. You need something obnoxious for that, and a Tesla derivative is too sensible for that. Pagani, Koenigsegg and Tesla have all demonstrated that you can build a car brand from scratch if you can make a sufficiently desirable product.
If you could manage Tesla quality engineering, there might be a market for a much more expensive equivalent to the model S but with higher quality materials and finishes and a promise of more exclusivity.
Build a car that sounds like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZMPDCNyQxE
and everyone will be staring at you, even if you haven't had the car covered in gold leaf or tricked out with LEDs so it looks like a prop from Tron.
And on the driving around Knightsbridge point, those same guys do go to track days, and they like to be seen in cars which have been endorsed by serious motoring journos. So the driving attributes do matter.
Kezington said:
1. What are your thoughts on a fully electric hyper car?
What makes you think you can make it into hypercar territory? I think it will be a supercar at best.Kezington said:
2. If you were to dictate a design feature on a hyper car what would you add or change from and currently existing Electric/Hybrid cars?
As a design study it needs to be at least one step ahead of current hypercars so you are looking at acheiving AMRB001 levels of design. With current hyper cars running at 1000 - 1500bhp adding more speed via the powertrain will be next to impossible so it will need huge amounts of passive and active aero to beat the driving experience of the current crop.Kezington said:
3. How do you feel about 4 seater hyper car? Or do having extra passenger seats kill the supercar essence?
No. 4 seats would kill the feeling of being "at one with the car" there will simply be too much interior space around you.Kezington said:
4. In your own opinion what makes a super car different from the rest sporty cars (besides the obvious performance)? As far as essence of the car, the design and the emotion behind it etc.
Exclusivity, performance, desirability, quality of materials. it must be made of carbon, aluminium, leather and alcantara. Those materials must be exquisitely finished with perfect stitching, carbon weave lining up perfectly etc.Kezington said:
5. Would you own a fully electric hyper car if it were to match everything the current standing competition holds and more range? (Porsche 918, Pagani Hayura, Laferrari, Mclaren P1, Bugatti Veyron)
absolutley yes but it would need more than just performance and range. It would have to have some character to make it desireable. It cannot just be a tesla in a pretty 2 seater frock. It needs an electric motor that makes an almost jet like noise and as an all electric supercar it would need to be at the forefront of technology.Kezington said:
6. How does a 180k – 200k sound to you for a fully electric hyper car? What would you expect from it looking at its price?
I assume you have seen the rimac concept 1 and up coming concept 1S? Basically you need that but with a much better looking body.r129sl said:
angoooose said:
May I enquire the education level for this project?
Primary school, by the sounds of it.Kezington said:
1. What are your thoughts on a fully electric hyper car?
2. If you were to dictate a design feature on a hyper car what would you add or change from and currently existing Electric/Hybrid cars?
3. How do you feel about 4 seater hyper car? Or do having extra passenger seats kill the supercar essence?
4. In your own opinion what makes a super car different from the rest sporty cars (besides the obvious performance)? As far as essence of the car, the design and the emotion behind it etc.
5. Would you own a fully electric hyper car if it were to match everything the current standing competition holds and more range? (Porsche 918, Pagani Hayura, Laferrari, Mclaren P1, Bugatti Veyron)
6. How does a 180k – 200k sound to you for a fully electric hyper car? What would you expect from it looking at its price?
1) Sounds good but sadly price will be prohibitive 2) Purity of line, " techno" before bling. 3) No: see M Quattroporte and to an extent, Porsche. 4) Design, rarity, Bentley quality interior. 5) All things being equal including range, then yes. 6) Too dear, even if had funds, over £100k is too much if vehicle is to sell .
2. If you were to dictate a design feature on a hyper car what would you add or change from and currently existing Electric/Hybrid cars?
3. How do you feel about 4 seater hyper car? Or do having extra passenger seats kill the supercar essence?
4. In your own opinion what makes a super car different from the rest sporty cars (besides the obvious performance)? As far as essence of the car, the design and the emotion behind it etc.
5. Would you own a fully electric hyper car if it were to match everything the current standing competition holds and more range? (Porsche 918, Pagani Hayura, Laferrari, Mclaren P1, Bugatti Veyron)
6. How does a 180k – 200k sound to you for a fully electric hyper car? What would you expect from it looking at its price?
1) Sounds good but sadly price will be prohibitive 2) Purity of line, " techno" before bling. 3) No: see M Quattroporte and to an extent, Porsche. 4) Design, rarity, Bentley quality interior. 5) All things being equal including range, then yes. 6) Too dear, even if had funds, over £100k is too much if vehicle is to sell .
Lester H said:
Kezington said:
1. What are your thoughts on a fully electric hyper car?
5. Would you own a fully electric hyper car if it were to match everything the current standing competition holds and more range? (Porsche 918, Pagani Hayura, Laferrari, Mclaren P1, Bugatti Veyron)
6. How does a 180k – 200k sound to you for a fully electric hyper car? What would you expect from it looking at its price?
6) Too dear, even if had funds, over £100k is too much if vehicle is to sell .
5. Would you own a fully electric hyper car if it were to match everything the current standing competition holds and more range? (Porsche 918, Pagani Hayura, Laferrari, Mclaren P1, Bugatti Veyron)
6. How does a 180k – 200k sound to you for a fully electric hyper car? What would you expect from it looking at its price?
6) Too dear, even if had funds, over £100k is too much if vehicle is to sell .
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