Pull push steering
Discussion
Dr Jekyll said:
No, not if you are going slow.I think this is slightly quicker, and he definitely crosses his arms. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jSYiU-JdRw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jSYiU-JdRw
Dr Jekyll said:
Looks like a lot of effort! Compare it to how relaxed Chris Harris looks in this video.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2Vt3ybz0t0
Dr Jekyll said:
Pull push steering too slow?
For some aspects of driving, yes, and of no real benefit if you can keep your hands on the wheel with a light touch, using your finger tips and wrists to steer delicately.Like many people, I use a variety of grips and methods, frequently including push-pull, because there is not one true way for all situations. I'm a progressive, not a fundamentalist.
This guy does similar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Thomd4BQg
Alternatively, let's discuss it for ever
Edited by MC Bodge on Sunday 9th June 20:29
Pull/Push steering was developed when power steering was unheard of. Manoeuvering a Morris Oxford at walking speeds was a nightmare and if you let the wheel go it would spin back and break your fingers!
Advanced driving communities exist in their own little bubble of orthodoxy, never questioning the reasons for most of their prehistoric attitudes. Try and park a car with power steering today using pull/push and you not only look like a prat, you are a prat. Dry steering? try to get into a city centre parking space without dry steering and you'll be there all day.
And whilst it might have taken two hands to control the slide of a pre 1950's Jaguar saloon, nowadays, two hands just get in the way as steering, chassis and tyre response are far too quick. Try pull/pushing a modern car out a slide and you'll be in the trees before you can say supercalafragelisticexpialidocious......or "b
ks!".
Advanced driving communities exist in their own little bubble of orthodoxy, never questioning the reasons for most of their prehistoric attitudes. Try and park a car with power steering today using pull/push and you not only look like a prat, you are a prat. Dry steering? try to get into a city centre parking space without dry steering and you'll be there all day.
And whilst it might have taken two hands to control the slide of a pre 1950's Jaguar saloon, nowadays, two hands just get in the way as steering, chassis and tyre response are far too quick. Try pull/pushing a modern car out a slide and you'll be in the trees before you can say supercalafragelisticexpialidocious......or "b
ks!".DreadUK said:
Advanced driving communities exist in their own little bubble of orthodoxy, never questioning the reasons for most of their prehistoric attitudes. Try and park a car with power steering today using pull/push and you not only look like a prat, you are a prat. Dry steering? try to get into a city centre parking space without dry steering and you'll be there all day.
I have and can do what you say cannot be done without looking like a prat so how do you explain that ?R0G said:
DreadUK said:
Advanced driving communities exist in their own little bubble of orthodoxy, never questioning the reasons for most of their prehistoric attitudes. Try and park a car with power steering today using pull/push and you not only look like a prat, you are a prat. Dry steering? try to get into a city centre parking space without dry steering and you'll be there all day.
I have and can do what you say cannot be done without looking like a prat so how do you explain that ?Dr Jekyll said:
Never mind his driving, how does that E39 pass an MOT with those emissions??!! 
R0G said:
bulldong said:
Do you have adenoids?
EH ?? !!Please explain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXL_DaTNxHE
I know which driver I'd rather put my trust in at the limit.
Looks so much more efficient, too.
I know which driver I'd rather put my trust in at the limit.
Looks so much more efficient, too.
R0G said:
If posting youtube videos then at least make them relative to the thread which is about normal road driving and not off road driving !!
It's 100 per cent related to the thread - it's an alternative steering method, and somebody who teaches people how to handle their cars *on the road* demonstrating it at the end of a Car Limits day. I see little difference in the two locations or what either of the drivers are doing? Andy teaches skills for driving on the road - it's not about driving off road. Yes he's hooning in the video, but so's the other instructor.
Spend your hard earned on one of the days and it's not about hitting apexes or driving as quickly as possible - it's a day dedicated to catching a car at speed if the worst happens, why the car reacts as it does, what causes understeer/oversteer etc, and getting to grips with a steering method that isn't push/pull.
Believe Andy does teach on track days too, but the video is from North Weald where he teaches people how not to put their cars in a hedge (exactly what the police instructor is doing?).
What do you believe the difference to be, out of curiosity? Why have you decided the latter is offroad, and different from the first?
Thanks,
Philip
Edited by pthelazyjourno on Saturday 6th July 19:21
Knowing how to do all forms of steering is obviously useful but for general road driving PP is deffo the SAFEST method for the greater majority of drivers
I would rather see videos showing how to do PP effectively that some fancy ones which show methods that only need to be used a very small percentage of the time
Safest first then others has to be the best way surely ?
I would rather see videos showing how to do PP effectively that some fancy ones which show methods that only need to be used a very small percentage of the time
Safest first then others has to be the best way surely ?
R0G said:
Knowing how to do all forms of steering is obviously useful but for general road driving PP is deffo the SAFEST method for the greater majority of drivers
I would rather see videos showing how to do PP effectively that some fancy ones which show methods that only need to be used a very small percentage of the time
Safest first then others has to be the best way surely ?
So if an Associate is capable of steering effectively and safely using other than PP, do they have to learn PP to pass the IAM test?I would rather see videos showing how to do PP effectively that some fancy ones which show methods that only need to be used a very small percentage of the time
Safest first then others has to be the best way surely ?
Vaux said:
R0G said:
Knowing how to do all forms of steering is obviously useful but for general road driving PP is deffo the SAFEST method for the greater majority of drivers
I would rather see videos showing how to do PP effectively that some fancy ones which show methods that only need to be used a very small percentage of the time
Safest first then others has to be the best way surely ?
So if an Associate is capable of steering effectively and safely using other than PP, do they have to learn PP to pass the IAM test?I would rather see videos showing how to do PP effectively that some fancy ones which show methods that only need to be used a very small percentage of the time
Safest first then others has to be the best way surely ?
In reality, fixed input
is perfectly acceptable. Although no one officially connected with the IAM or RoSPA tests will openly admit it.Only ROG and a few others seem to think... PP is deffo the SAFEST method for the greater majority of drivers. The IAM and RoSPA examiners don't really care about inputs, although they say they do, but that's only because they don't know what else to say. The practical reality is that they only care about steering outcomes. Outcomes which must be Safe, Smooth and Accurate at all times.
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