Who has right of way?
Discussion
Take a look at this picture.
The right arrow is where I intend to go, into the Aldi car park. As I am slowing down and indicating to turn right, sometimes a car will exit Tesco like the blue arrow, at the point where I am just about to start turning and I then have to stop.
It doesn't happen often, but I don't know who has the right of way. Is it right that I stop? Should they wait until I've made my turn? Or is it just one of those ambiguous junctions...?
Thanks for any help.
The right arrow is where I intend to go, into the Aldi car park. As I am slowing down and indicating to turn right, sometimes a car will exit Tesco like the blue arrow, at the point where I am just about to start turning and I then have to stop.
It doesn't happen often, but I don't know who has the right of way. Is it right that I stop? Should they wait until I've made my turn? Or is it just one of those ambiguous junctions...?
Thanks for any help.
Given the proximity of the junctions, I would expect the blue route to yield to the red route.
Complications might arise when there is other oncoming traffic which the red vehicle stops for and the blue vehicle slots into that traffic.
In general the answer to priority questions is that whomever is established on a road or in a lane has the right to remain established.
With just two vehicles, I find it hard to understand how conflict can arise -- the blue vehicle should wait for the red one to commit to the turn at which point it's going to be hard to get out of the side junction and get into a position of conflict.
Have you tried not indicating?
Complications might arise when there is other oncoming traffic which the red vehicle stops for and the blue vehicle slots into that traffic.
In general the answer to priority questions is that whomever is established on a road or in a lane has the right to remain established.
With just two vehicles, I find it hard to understand how conflict can arise -- the blue vehicle should wait for the red one to commit to the turn at which point it's going to be hard to get out of the side junction and get into a position of conflict.
Have you tried not indicating?
I'd expect to have to stop if the blue arrowed car had joined the road already exactly the same as if it was an oncoming car, it's no different that it's just left a junction very nearby if it's over the dividing centre white broken lines on the main road it has right of way.
Complications might arise if you get people exiting the junction faster than they should but that's the fun of trying to predict other drivers.
Complications might arise if you get people exiting the junction faster than they should but that's the fun of trying to predict other drivers.
whiskas said:
Looks pretty clear-cut due to the presence of Give Way lines- Red line has priority.
No way.If the "blue" car had approached from the straight-on direction it would obviously have priority. The fact it's come out of a side-turning makes no difference.
Blue car has priority.
I think it depends how late they decide to pull out from the blue corner.
If I am nowhere near the red turn in point, I agree, but I've had it so that when they've seen I am definitely slowing down and seconds before turning they pull out and I've actually had to back out of turning at that exact point.
If I am nowhere near the red turn in point, I agree, but I've had it so that when they've seen I am definitely slowing down and seconds before turning they pull out and I've actually had to back out of turning at that exact point.
Ozzie Osmond said:
No way.
If the "blue" car had approached from the straight-on direction it would obviously have priority.
Yes as it would also be on the major road turning leftIf the "blue" car had approached from the straight-on direction it would obviously have priority.
Ozzie Osmond said:
The fact it's come out of a side-turning makes no difference.
Blue car has priority.
It makes all the difference- you *do* know what the double-checked line markings at the junction mean don't you?Blue car has priority.
For the sake of argument if and only if the blue car has already pulled out before you approach the junction and started indicating then it has priority otherwise no. Of course sometimes you have to concede priority for a quieter life and to avoid an incident
whiskas said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
No way.
If the "blue" car had approached from the straight-on direction it would obviously have priority.
Yes as it would also be on the major road turning leftIf the "blue" car had approached from the straight-on direction it would obviously have priority.
Ozzie Osmond said:
The fact it's come out of a side-turning makes no difference.
Blue car has priority.
It makes all the difference- you *do* know what the double-checked line markings at the junction mean don't you?Blue car has priority.
For the sake of argument if and only if the blue car has already pulled out before you approach the junction and started indicating then it has priority otherwise no. Of course sometimes you have to concede priority for a quieter life and to avoid an incident
I don't personally see that his crossing the give way lines would cause another to change speed or course, because the (red) vehicle turning right would never reach the point where blue has crossed the give ways & entered the road. If red was already turning before blue entered, then there'd be no collision. I think red is going to have most problems with a collision because he is crossing the path of a vehicle that was established on the road before he commenced his crossing of that traffic.
I think these junctions are so close that it might be hard to argue the blue vehicle is established in it's lane, rather than completing its manoeuvre. After all, you wouldn't try running that argument if this were a cross-roads or a staggered cross-roads.
But as von says -- there shouldn't be conflict if the blue car would have been in conflict with the red car if it went straight on: the red car will have made the turn and been on it's way...of course if there was room anyway for it to nip out...
Of course -- no matter the rights and wrongs -- if you do have to brake to avoid a collision then get on the brake and do what you must!
But as von says -- there shouldn't be conflict if the blue car would have been in conflict with the red car if it went straight on: the red car will have made the turn and been on it's way...of course if there was room anyway for it to nip out...
Of course -- no matter the rights and wrongs -- if you do have to brake to avoid a collision then get on the brake and do what you must!
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