Brake are sponsoring my company's Road Safety Awareness Week
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So I expect anti-car propaganda and downright incorrect driving advice.
I have passed my IAM test and so can argue that safe driving can complement making progress but does anyone have a is a good source of impartial statistics on road safety?
I don't believe anything this organisation puts out when it states that the only time one should overtake on single lane roads is to pas a tractor driven at 5mph.
Steve
I have passed my IAM test and so can argue that safe driving can complement making progress but does anyone have a is a good source of impartial statistics on road safety?
I don't believe anything this organisation puts out when it states that the only time one should overtake on single lane roads is to pas a tractor driven at 5mph.
Steve
Steve vRS said:
I don't believe anything this organisation puts out when it states that the only time one should overtake on single lane roads is to pass a tractor driven at 5mph.
Steve
At first I didn't believe this could possibly be an attributed quotation but, yes ...here it is ... copied from their website ...Steve
Don’t overtake
Make a policy never to overtake unless it is extremely safe and extremely obvious that you should. For example, if you are overtaking a 5mph tractor on a very straight stretch of road. In most cases you won’t need to overtake because the vehicle in front is going at a perfectly acceptable speed. Instead, hang back and relax. You won’t get there much quicker by overtaking, and you might not get there at all.
What extraordinary nonsense. Why 5mph, why a tractor, why this obsession with aligning everything to speed. We all know that if the circumstances are right it can be extremely safe and extremely obvious to overtake another vehicle doing 40mph in a NSL.
The only way to become a safer driver is through driver education, (education which will, inevitably, include driving at an appropriate speed for the circumstances), not through an obsession with reducing speed.
johnao said:
Don’t overtake
Make a policy never to overtake unless it is extremely safe and extremely obvious that you should. For example, if you are overtaking a 5mph tractor on a very straight stretch of road. In most cases you won’t need to overtake because the vehicle in front is going at a perfectly acceptable speed. Instead, hang back and relax. You won’t get there much quicker by overtaking, and you might not get there at all.
Just when you think you've heard it all, Brake manage to outdo themselves again. It's no wonder the headlight flashing, self appointed road policing brigade appear to be growing in number so rapidly.Make a policy never to overtake unless it is extremely safe and extremely obvious that you should. For example, if you are overtaking a 5mph tractor on a very straight stretch of road. In most cases you won’t need to overtake because the vehicle in front is going at a perfectly acceptable speed. Instead, hang back and relax. You won’t get there much quicker by overtaking, and you might not get there at all.
Back to the OP's question, Safespeed can be relied upon to come up with some interesting numbers. Only 1.5% of accidentsmight have been caused by breaking the posted speed limits according to that press release.
johnao said:
Steve vRS said:
I don't believe anything this organisation puts out when it states that the only time one should overtake on single lane roads is to pass a tractor driven at 5mph.
Steve
At first I didn't believe this could possibly be an attributed quotation but, yes ...here it is ... copied from their website ...Steve
Don’t overtake
Make a policy never to overtake unless it is extremely safe and extremely obvious that you should. For example, if you are overtaking a 5mph tractor on a very straight stretch of road. In most cases you won’t need to overtake because the vehicle in front is going at a perfectly acceptable speed. Instead, hang back and relax. You won’t get there much quicker by overtaking, and you might not get there at all.
What extraordinary nonsense. Why 5mph, why a tractor, why this obsession with aligning everything to speed. We all know that if the circumstances are right it can be extremely safe and extremely obvious to overtake another vehicle doing 40mph in a NSL.
The only way to become a safer driver is through driver education, (education which will, inevitably, include driving at an appropriate speed for the circumstances), not through an obsession with reducing speed.
jagnet said:
johnao said:
Don’t overtake
Make a policy never to overtake unless it is extremely safe and extremely obvious that you should. For example, if you are overtaking a 5mph tractor on a very straight stretch of road. In most cases you won’t need to overtake because the vehicle in front is going at a perfectly acceptable speed. Instead, hang back and relax. You won’t get there much quicker by overtaking, and you might not get there at all.
Just when you think you've heard it all, Brake manage to outdo themselves again. It's no wonder the headlight flashing, self appointed road policing brigade appear to be growing in number so rapidly.Make a policy never to overtake unless it is extremely safe and extremely obvious that you should. For example, if you are overtaking a 5mph tractor on a very straight stretch of road. In most cases you won’t need to overtake because the vehicle in front is going at a perfectly acceptable speed. Instead, hang back and relax. You won’t get there much quicker by overtaking, and you might not get there at all.
Back to the OP's question, Safespeed can be relied upon to come up with some interesting numbers. Only 1.5% of accidentsmight have been caused by breaking the posted speed limits according to that press release.
Link to the DfT statistics for 2010.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/statistics/releases/road-acc...
An interesting summary at the top of the page of contributary factors....
- Failed to look properly was again the most frequently reported contributory factor and was reported in 40 per cent of all accidents reported to the police in 2010. Four of the five most frequently reported contributory factors involved driver or rider error or reaction. For fatal accidents the most frequently reported contributory factor was loss of control, which was involved in 34 per cent of fatal accidents.
- Pedestrian failed to look properly was reported in 60 per cent of accidents in which a pedestrian was injured or killed, and pedestrian careless, reckless or in a hurry was reported in 25 per cent of accidents.
- Exceeding the speed limit was reported as a factor in 5 per cent of accidents, but these accidents involved 14 per cent of fatalities. At least one of exceeding the speed limit and travelling too fast for the conditions was reported in 12 per cent of all accidents and these accidents accounted for 24 per cent of all fatalities.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/statistics/releases/road-acc...
An interesting summary at the top of the page of contributary factors....
- Failed to look properly was again the most frequently reported contributory factor and was reported in 40 per cent of all accidents reported to the police in 2010. Four of the five most frequently reported contributory factors involved driver or rider error or reaction. For fatal accidents the most frequently reported contributory factor was loss of control, which was involved in 34 per cent of fatal accidents.
- Pedestrian failed to look properly was reported in 60 per cent of accidents in which a pedestrian was injured or killed, and pedestrian careless, reckless or in a hurry was reported in 25 per cent of accidents.
- Exceeding the speed limit was reported as a factor in 5 per cent of accidents, but these accidents involved 14 per cent of fatalities. At least one of exceeding the speed limit and travelling too fast for the conditions was reported in 12 per cent of all accidents and these accidents accounted for 24 per cent of all fatalities.
king ignore them.vonhosen said:
Even less might have been caused by illegal tyres, should we ignore them ?
not sure where I'm suggesting ignoring speed limits or illegal tyres in that post? Actually, whilst we're on the subject Von - from your experience, any idea how much of a contributory factor illegal or badly worn tyres are in road accidents? I posted the other week about how many cars there must be out there on illegal tyres, but have never seen any stats to suggest what involvement they have in accidents.
jagnet said:
vonhosen said:
Even less might have been caused by illegal tyres, should we ignore them ?
not sure where I'm suggesting ignoring speed limits or illegal tyres in that post? Actually, whilst we're on the subject Von - from your experience, any idea how much of a contributory factor illegal or badly worn tyres are in road accidents? I posted the other week about how many cars there must be out there on illegal tyres, but have never seen any stats to suggest what involvement they have in accidents.
vonhosen said:
Thank you kindly. Less than I'd have thought.This is worth a read, don't suppose it would go down well with Brake!
"In New York in 1900, 200 persons were killed by horses and horse-drawn
vehicles. This contrasts with 344 auto-related fatalities in New York in 2003; given the modern city’s greater population, this means the fatality rate per capita in the horse era was roughly 75 percent higher than today. Data from Chicago show that in 1916 there were 16.9 horse-related fatalities for each 10,000 horse-drawn vehicles; this is nearly seven times the city’s fatality rate per auto in 1997."
http://www.uctc.net/access/30/Access%2030%20-%2002...
"In New York in 1900, 200 persons were killed by horses and horse-drawn
vehicles. This contrasts with 344 auto-related fatalities in New York in 2003; given the modern city’s greater population, this means the fatality rate per capita in the horse era was roughly 75 percent higher than today. Data from Chicago show that in 1916 there were 16.9 horse-related fatalities for each 10,000 horse-drawn vehicles; this is nearly seven times the city’s fatality rate per auto in 1997."
http://www.uctc.net/access/30/Access%2030%20-%2002...
I think "Brake" have the right idea, all single carriageway roads should have a central barrier such that overtakes are not possible.
Quite how vonhosen will be able to educate his students then I don't know, although, iirc, "Brake" is of the opinion that ES vehicles should obey all speed limits and that those limits should be reduced.
Hey ho, it's probably the future, get used to it.
Pressure groups rule.
He who shouts loudest stuff.
Quite how vonhosen will be able to educate his students then I don't know, although, iirc, "Brake" is of the opinion that ES vehicles should obey all speed limits and that those limits should be reduced.
Hey ho, it's probably the future, get used to it.
Pressure groups rule.
He who shouts loudest stuff.
KB_S1 said:
vonhosen said:
Even less might have been caused by illegal tyres, should we ignore them ?
Percentage of drivers that exceed speed limits every day vs percentage of drivers that have illegal tyres on their vehicle?Gassing Station | Advanced Driving | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff