How do people downshift for more power without rev-matching?
Discussion
DarkVeil said:
So why did someone post a picture of tractor saying I need a more modern car?
Because the invented problem that you are claiming to have overcome isn’t an issue on anything sold in the last forty years.Seriously, invest in some advanced driving lessons, you sound as though you’d really benefit from them. If nothing else it’d teach you about how to be in the right gear ahead of needing to accelerate.
And before you object, you wrote this, which would not have happened had you learned to look ahead and choose the appropriate gear;
“ On a NSL limit road I was in 4th gear and on an uphill incline the car wouldn't go above 40Mph with full throttle”
Ken_Code said:
DarkVeil said:
So why did someone post a picture of tractor saying I need a more modern car?
Because the invented problem that you are claiming to have overcome isn’t an issue on anything sold in the last forty years.Seriously, invest in some advanced driving lessons, you sound as though you’d really benefit from them. If nothing else it’d teach you about how to be in the right gear ahead of needing to accelerate.
Ken_Code said:
DarkVeil said:
So why did someone post a picture of tractor saying I need a more modern car?
Because the invented problem that you are claiming to have overcome isn’t an issue on anything sold in the last forty years.Seriously, invest in some advanced driving lessons, you sound as though you’d really benefit from them. If nothing else it’d teach you about how to be in the right gear ahead of needing to accelerate.
And before you object, you wrote this, which would not have happened had you learned to look ahead and choose the appropriate gear;
“ On a NSL limit road I was in 4th gear and on an uphill incline the car wouldn't go above 40Mph with full throttle”
Not sure what everyone seems to have against manual rev-matching, it's a useful skill to be able to drop a gear much more quickly than having to slowly release the clutch.
DarkVeil said:
I'm not against advanced driving lessons at all, I've considered doing the IAM Roadsmart course, but the quote you are referring to was years ago when I had my driving test.
Not sure what everyone seems to have against manual rev-matching, it's a useful skill to be able to drop a gear much more quickly than having to slowly release the clutch.
It’s not, it’s a pointless affectation that you seem to be using to mask a lack of anticipation.Not sure what everyone seems to have against manual rev-matching, it's a useful skill to be able to drop a gear much more quickly than having to slowly release the clutch.
And what are you trying to add in here? You neither release nor re-engage the clutch once moving, why would you do either slowly?
Ken_Code said:
It’s not, it’s a pointless affectation that you seem to be using to mask a lack of anticipation.
And what are you trying to add in here? You neither release nor re-engage the clutch once moving, why would you do either slowly?
Its not pointless, raising the revs on a downshift makes it smoother.And what are you trying to add in here? You neither release nor re-engage the clutch once moving, why would you do either slowly?
Not totally necessary, true, but simple to do.
Gary C said:
Ken_Code said:
It’s not, it’s a pointless affectation that you seem to be using to mask a lack of anticipation.
And what are you trying to add in here? You neither release nor re-engage the clutch once moving, why would you do either slowly?
Its not pointless, raising the revs on a downshift makes it smoother.And what are you trying to add in here? You neither release nor re-engage the clutch once moving, why would you do either slowly?
Not totally necessary, true, but simple to do.
I double-declutch to accelerate as the lower gear generally requires to be rev-matched.
Also, in an automatic I rev-match to the lower gear.
......unless there is an auto blip, cvt, etc...
Rev-matching causes less wear and tear and is mechanically sympathetic. Not something that is clear in 10km, but very clear over 100,000-500,000km.
PhilAsia said:
I double-declutch to accelerate as the lower gear generally requires to be rev-matched.
Also, in an automatic I rev-match to the lower gear.
......unless there is an auto blip, cvt, etc...
Rev-matching causes less wear and tear and is mechanically sympathetic. Not something that is clear in 10km, but very clear over 100,000-500,000km.
That's fine for a 30 year old articulated lorry, do you drive a modern car? Also, in an automatic I rev-match to the lower gear.
......unless there is an auto blip, cvt, etc...
Rev-matching causes less wear and tear and is mechanically sympathetic. Not something that is clear in 10km, but very clear over 100,000-500,000km.
Doofus said:
Gary C said:
Ken_Code said:
It’s not, it’s a pointless affectation that you seem to be using to mask a lack of anticipation.
And what are you trying to add in here? You neither release nor re-engage the clutch once moving, why would you do either slowly?
Its not pointless, raising the revs on a downshift makes it smoother.And what are you trying to add in here? You neither release nor re-engage the clutch once moving, why would you do either slowly?
Not totally necessary, true, but simple to do.
Not quite how I read his rambling and confusing post, but I was assuming he is just explaining the simple process of a blip to raise the revs as you downshift in a confusing and odd manner.
But the act of a blip on a downshift isn't quite pointless but I can't be arsed to work out what he means.
Gary C said:
Humm
Not quite how I read his rambling and confusing post, but I was assuming he is just explaining the simple process of a blip to raise the revs as you downshift in a confusing and odd manner.
But the act of a blip on a downshift isn't quite pointless but I can't be arsed to work out what he means.
That's exactly what I meant. Blipping the throttle during a downshift.Not quite how I read his rambling and confusing post, but I was assuming he is just explaining the simple process of a blip to raise the revs as you downshift in a confusing and odd manner.
But the act of a blip on a downshift isn't quite pointless but I can't be arsed to work out what he means.
DarkVeil said:
Gary C said:
Humm
Not quite how I read his rambling and confusing post, but I was assuming he is just explaining the simple process of a blip to raise the revs as you downshift in a confusing and odd manner.
But the act of a blip on a downshift isn't quite pointless but I can't be arsed to work out what he means.
That's exactly what I meant. Blipping the throttle during a downshift.Not quite how I read his rambling and confusing post, but I was assuming he is just explaining the simple process of a blip to raise the revs as you downshift in a confusing and odd manner.
But the act of a blip on a downshift isn't quite pointless but I can't be arsed to work out what he means.
Its simple and effective for a smooth shift but not actually necessary
Discendo Discimus said:
Further to Ken's advice, please don't sit there and argue with the instructor when he tries to explain it, just listen and do as he says.
I've been an instructor for almost twenty years, please ask questions. Argue if you want, I get paid the same and you won't dent my ego. Just please don't nod and agree with me. Can't think of anything worse!
7mike said:
Discendo Discimus said:
Further to Ken's advice, please don't sit there and argue with the instructor when he tries to explain it, just listen and do as he says.
I've been an instructor for almost twenty years, please ask questions. Argue if you want, I get paid the same and you won't dent my ego. Just please don't nod and agree with me. Can't think of anything worse!
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