Brake Light Courtesy

[Sporky]

BertBert said:

I was going to post that I can't recall any brake lights that dazzled me and that the whole brake light courtesy idea is just an "advanced driving" affectation like not allowing the handbrake ratchet to clack

But maybe I won't say that now!

I think it must affect different people differently. At night I find being stopped behind a car with its brake lights on very uncomfortable. "Dazzle" might not be the word - it's not as bad as full beams, but they're very bright and unpleasant.

Sticks. said:

My auto will let you apply the electric handbrake while in D, for hill starts or anything. Touch accelerator to disengage.

Both of mine do too.

[7mike]

I thinks it's safe to say, the 'advanced' section of PH is not going to change the driving habits of the other 33 million drivers on the road. So, what's the 'advanced' way of dealing with the problem?

[Pica-Pica]

7mike said:

I thinks it's safe to say, the 'advanced' section of PH is not going to change the driving habits of the other 33 million drivers on the road. So, what's the 'advanced' way of dealing with the problem?

I’ve written my way, but it depends on the car’s systems, and how much people:
Read and understand,
Care,
Bother to use them.

[7mike]

Pica-Pica said:

7mike said:

I thinks it's safe to say, the 'advanced' section of PH is not going to change the driving habits of the other 33 million drivers on the road. So, what's the 'advanced' way of dealing with the problem?

I’ve written my way, but it depends on the car’s systems, and how much people:
Read and understand,
Care,
Bother to use them.

Good to see someone, who plans ahead, taking into account other road users behind and how to reduce the risk they pose. But I was referring to the apparent problem of being " blinded" by the vehicle ahead. I'm not convinced having a moan on an internet forum will solve that problem (for those that see it as such). Personally, I just don't stare ahead.

[Pica-Pica]

7mike said:

Pica-Pica said:

7mike said:

I thinks it's safe to say, the 'advanced' section of PH is not going to change the driving habits of the other 33 million drivers on the road. So, what's the 'advanced' way of dealing with the problem?

I’ve written my way, but it depends on the car’s systems, and how much people:
Read and understand,
Care,
Bother to use them.

Good to see someone, who plans ahead, taking into account other road users behind and how to reduce the risk they pose. But I was referring to the apparent problem of being " blinded" by the vehicle ahead. I'm not convinced having a moan on an internet forum will solve that problem (for those that see it as such). Personally, I just don't stare ahead.

I can’t say I have had a problem. I look down or away if they are that bright, but they rarely are.

[Stedman]

7mike said:

Good to see someone, who plans ahead, taking into account other road users behind and how to reduce the risk they pose. But I was referring to the apparent problem of being " blinded" by the vehicle ahead. I'm not convinced having a moan on an internet forum will solve that problem (for those that see it as such). Personally, I just don't stare ahead.

Not staring ahead doesn't stop it from glaring you, though.

[7mike]

Stedman said:

7mike said:

Good to see someone, who plans ahead, taking into account other road users behind and how to reduce the risk they pose. But I was referring to the apparent problem of being " blinded" by the vehicle ahead. I'm not convinced having a moan on an internet forum will solve that problem (for those that see it as such). Personally, I just don't stare ahead.

Not staring ahead doesn't stop it from glaring you, though.

Okay, lets consider the options.

1. Look away and reduce the issue. (not ideal, still some glare)
2. Whinge on the internet ( quick fix, satisfy us we're in the right, does sweet FA to resolve the problem)
3. Campaign for a change in the law to make use of a conventional mechanical handbrake compulsory on all UK roads. Employ sufficient police officers to ensure use of the handbrake is made with fines and points for those that keep their foot on the footbrake during stops. ( Could be tricky persuading the vehicle manufactures to go along with this, seeing as they make their vehicles for global markets. Employing sufficient plod may be an issue, and then the internet whingers will just moan they should be catching real criminals anyway).
4. Get the bus

[Stedman]

Thank you, I'd never considered those.

[Haltamer]

I've slightly given up on the notion with the same modern car curses.

In the Civic, There's auto brake hold, which keeps the service brake (And lights) applied at a stop - You can manually apply the EPB to ditch the lights, which I will do when it's possible / extended stops.

The Jaguar rends it an extreme annoyance - The Idle stop is linked to brake pedal application, so lifting off will restart the engine, as will selecting park / Applying the parking brake and lifting off - Meaning that being polite involves several engine starts, etc...

In more analogue cars, I stick to the classic IAM Provisos -
Brake lights on unless someone is behind me, particularly at higher speed stops, handbrake etc.

Usually prefer that too, as you can tap the brake pedal to flash the brake lights quickly for a more effective warning if you see someone storming up / are coming to a sudden stop on the motorway - Usually more effective than Hazards IME, Probably because the following traffic thinks you've just had a massive ABS moment

[BertBert]

Nope