Who had a Sagaris engine rebuilt ?
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I've read just about every S6 thread on here over the years I've been unsuccessfully trying to persuade myself to change my Griff500 and worry that you're not going to get a conclusive consensus on this.
If it were me I would force myself to assume a similar level of reliability and be pleasantly surprised if it turned out better. There are after all lots of other reasons to move from a 350 to Sag to help justify it right?
dumbfunk
If it were me I would force myself to assume a similar level of reliability and be pleasantly surprised if it turned out better. There are after all lots of other reasons to move from a 350 to Sag to help justify it right?
dumbfunk
Edited by dumbfunk on Friday 17th October 14:58
Mine was rebuilt recently, Some engines seem more reliable than others not really specific cars with my experience & sources, a lot of late cars engines are now starting to fail. Yet, I owned an 01 Tuscan S for 6 years (15k miles) that did around 40 hard track days including Ring visits with just a mere head gasket failure in that time & I'm led to believe that engine is still going strong even to this day. Incredible... that both cars or engines where always maintained, warmed up the lot meticulously the same. Still Love Speed Sixes, regardless.
I know of one Sagaris which has had its engine rebuild but it went whilst on the track (6th cylinder problem)
My Sagaris is still going well at 16k miles (touch wood), sounds fine too - even cold! Having said that I warm it up, don`t track it, don`t leave it sitting for weeks without a good run and don`t really horse it at the best of times...
J
My Sagaris is still going well at 16k miles (touch wood), sounds fine too - even cold! Having said that I warm it up, don`t track it, don`t leave it sitting for weeks without a good run and don`t really horse it at the best of times...
J
My Sagaris engine was just over a year old at the time of implosion & had done just under 7K miles & considering it was supposedely the same engine as my old Tuscan S, it was nowhere near in terms of performance & especially reliability.
In 03 it was confirmed to me by HHC, that my particular S was the first one made & would have or could have had a 'Press engine' which explains why it lasted so long as really all the car did during it's life was hard track days with no pottering about whatsoever.
The fact is a rebuild is in the post for the vast majority of cars if not all unless recently sorted by a established Speed Six engine builder, Jason at STR8-6 or Dom at TVR Power to name a few...
Edited to say regardless of the trouble I have had recently has no way put me off owning a Speed Six car or any others in the future.
In 03 it was confirmed to me by HHC, that my particular S was the first one made & would have or could have had a 'Press engine' which explains why it lasted so long as really all the car did during it's life was hard track days with no pottering about whatsoever.
The fact is a rebuild is in the post for the vast majority of cars if not all unless recently sorted by a established Speed Six engine builder, Jason at STR8-6 or Dom at TVR Power to name a few...
Edited to say regardless of the trouble I have had recently has no way put me off owning a Speed Six car or any others in the future.
Edited by shaunsmith on Monday 20th October 15:16
People who's opinions I trust have told me that the way that you warm/drive these engines makes a substantial difference to their life expectancy, as does your choice of builder but the problem is that there seem to always be exceptions to these rules.
For this reason my personal view is that you'll enjoy the ownership experience more if you *plan* the worst. It's essentially a race motor and being realistic if I ever swapped and got 25k out of an original build and 50k from a modded one I wouldn't feel cheated.
Hopefully there'll be some owners along soon with better news and/or facts to back up my sideline speculation.
df
For this reason my personal view is that you'll enjoy the ownership experience more if you *plan* the worst. It's essentially a race motor and being realistic if I ever swapped and got 25k out of an original build and 50k from a modded one I wouldn't feel cheated.
Hopefully there'll be some owners along soon with better news and/or facts to back up my sideline speculation.
df
Yeah, the warming up is integral to the hopefully longevity of the engine & yes to get 25k out of one i wouldn't feel cheated either as my old Tuscan S has possibly completed now, although I did a bit with 7K & virtually a new Sagaris, that's the past now. However, I for one absolutely love the way the Speed Six performs & especially looking forward to the one Jason has built for me, it's a shame the SP6 was flawed originally, time moves on & so has the spec. An allowance has to be made if purchasing a SP6 in my opinion, but the fun with one out weighs the long term cost.
I assume you have a Griffith's, to me is the best all round TVR. I had one from new in 98 to 01 & miss it like mad & hoping soon to purchase another. They look more awesome than ever to me!
I assume you have a Griffith's, to me is the best all round TVR. I had one from new in 98 to 01 & miss it like mad & hoping soon to purchase another. They look more awesome than ever to me!
Edited by shaunsmith on Monday 20th October 16:08
I beleive most of us have a fund to pay for the eventual engine rebuild, I personally hope to add to this to get the FFF (buckets) engine when its had a year or two under its belt...
Still at 16k miles (and the winter closing in) I hope a rebuild won`t be forced on me til after 2010 (aka 26k+ miles)
J
Still at 16k miles (and the winter closing in) I hope a rebuild won`t be forced on me til after 2010 (aka 26k+ miles)
J
shaunsmith said:
snip...
I assume you have a Griffith's, to me is the best all round TVR. I had one from new in 98 to 01 & miss it like mad & hoping soon to purchase another. They look more awesome than ever to me!
Yes, I have a 1998 model also and in 7 years it's let me down twice with a faulty ignition coil and a faulty fuel pressure regulator. Whilst I slightly prefer the shape, noise and power delivery of the my car I always loved the Tuscan and would absolutely have moved years ago for the improved aero and crash protection. I think that I've just been spoilt!I assume you have a Griffith's, to me is the best all round TVR. I had one from new in 98 to 01 & miss it like mad & hoping soon to purchase another. They look more awesome than ever to me!
df
KillerJim said:
I beleive most of us have a fund to pay for the eventual engine rebuild, I personally hope to add to this to get the FFF (buckets) engine when its had a year or two under its belt...
Still at 16k miles (and the winter closing in) I hope a rebuild won`t be forced on me til after 2010 (aka 26k+ miles)
J
Yeah, I bet you dont. I agree with you the bucket engine needs to get a couple of years for proven reliablity etc. But so far sounds good what's been on here, then again the Wilder seamingly seemed a viable option until recently...Still at 16k miles (and the winter closing in) I hope a rebuild won`t be forced on me til after 2010 (aka 26k+ miles)
J
I hope the bucket design proves successfull none the less.
dumbfunk said:
shaunsmith said:
snip...
I assume you have a Griffith's, to me is the best all round TVR. I had one from new in 98 to 01 & miss it like mad & hoping soon to purchase another. They look more awesome than ever to me!
Yes, I have a 1998 model also and in 7 years it's let me down twice with a faulty ignition coil and a faulty fuel pressure regulator. Whilst I slightly prefer the shape, noise and power delivery of the my car I always loved the Tuscan and would absolutely have moved years ago for the improved aero and crash protection. I think that I've just been spoilt!I assume you have a Griffith's, to me is the best all round TVR. I had one from new in 98 to 01 & miss it like mad & hoping soon to purchase another. They look more awesome than ever to me!
df
I really think the Griffith is the 'Ian Botham' of TVR's to me does the lot!!
Mine had a rebuild this year, about march time at Power. It went in for a chip. Don said it was about to blow, Half time barring, and that it was nocking its Tit's off. It got stripped down and nothing was ever found wrong other than it was running a bit rough and the cams had signs of getting hot, but no real signs of hard/excessive wearing. I got a cheap rebuild!
shaunsmith said:
In 03 it was confirmed to me by HHC, that my particular S was the first one made & would have or could have had a 'Press engine'
Did they ever say what the differences were?Edited by shaunsmith on Monday 20th October 15:16
I'm curious as my '02 S has a "press engine" according to the original invoice.
Leadfoot said:
shaunsmith said:
In 03 it was confirmed to me by HHC, that my particular S was the first one made & would have or could have had a 'Press engine'
Did they ever say what the differences were?Edited by shaunsmith on Monday 20th October 15:16
I'm curious as my '02 S has a "press engine" according to the original invoice.
In a Straight line my Tuscan S was even quicker than my Sagaris even with a 3.9 diff & CR/box especially after a Ton.
Far Eastender said:
tomTVR said:
I have spent a lot of time on this forum also. My advice would be to budget for a rebuild then you wont need to be dissapointed if it goes pop.
After how long? Some are saying these engines should be rebuilt at 50K miles, others are having to shell out after only 10k. If you only want to keep the car for a year or so then (quite rightly) you wont want to be paying 6k on a rebuild because its a lot of money and you wont get much of it back on resale. It wouldnt suprise me if the majority of people who complain after suffering a S6 failture are the sort of people who change cars quite a bit and get caught out.
shaunsmith said:
In a Straight line my Tuscan S was even quicker than my Sagaris even with a 3.9 diff & CR/box especially after Ton.
Interesting, I've driven 3 other 4.0L SP6's - another 'S' & 2 demo Sags when they first came out. None felt as quick, torque or top end, as mine.One day I'll measure the bore & stroke on it..........
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