Speed Six Starter - Any problems when hot?
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Having forked out on a battery and bypassed the Immobilser start circuit, I hoped my starter problems had gone away.
When the engine is hot it seriously struggles to turn over, if at all, but most of the hot start issues are with V8s, so can anyone tell me if they have had starting probs when hot on their speed six, or should I start worrying that the block is warping or clearances becoming too tight etc..?
Does anyone know the make model of starter should I choose to change it?
When the engine is hot it seriously struggles to turn over, if at all, but most of the hot start issues are with V8s, so can anyone tell me if they have had starting probs when hot on their speed six, or should I start worrying that the block is warping or clearances becoming too tight etc..?
Does anyone know the make model of starter should I choose to change it?
Just got back in from the rain, and having given the car a good kickin' wanted to share another thought.
I assume the starter is pre-engaged. If the clearance from flywheel is too small, would a hot, expanded flywheel cause the starter to struggle? My belief is under this circumstance, the starter would potentially not disengage, so this does not seem likely, but I am trying to avoid taking the car back for major surgery again.
Any ideas welcome, in the meantime I'm off to give it another sound hoofing. Poxy thing has failed 4 times in 2 weeks and the Missus wants to know when I am selling it?... Grrrr
I assume the starter is pre-engaged. If the clearance from flywheel is too small, would a hot, expanded flywheel cause the starter to struggle? My belief is under this circumstance, the starter would potentially not disengage, so this does not seem likely, but I am trying to avoid taking the car back for major surgery again.
Any ideas welcome, in the meantime I'm off to give it another sound hoofing. Poxy thing has failed 4 times in 2 weeks and the Missus wants to know when I am selling it?... Grrrr
Thanks guys. Differing opinions there.
The car ticks over fine. On simpler cars I would have stuck a spanner on the crank pulley and checked difference between hot and cold but not so on this car.
Anyone else with speed six probs (Hot Start) I'd be pleased to hear. There are lots of good threads in 'Cerbera' Forum, but most of these are V8's cooked by the exhaust manifold.
The car ticks over fine. On simpler cars I would have stuck a spanner on the crank pulley and checked difference between hot and cold but not so on this car.
Anyone else with speed six probs (Hot Start) I'd be pleased to hear. There are lots of good threads in 'Cerbera' Forum, but most of these are V8's cooked by the exhaust manifold.
Thanks Guys. I think I am going to change mine with a brand new starter, as they are relatively cheap on the S6. It would be interesting to check the earth leakage resitance when hot and when cold, but I have had it up to the neck with taking the airbox off. It has almost become a daily check.....
"Oil - Check, Water - Check, Fuel - Check, Airbox off - Check, Airbox back and spacer dropped - Check, Airbox off again......." and so it goes.
Will let you know if starter solves problem
"Oil - Check, Water - Check, Fuel - Check, Airbox off - Check, Airbox back and spacer dropped - Check, Airbox off again......." and so it goes.
Will let you know if starter solves problem
Got home yesterday after a drive in the sunshine, happy that apart from a couple of issues I have finally got a reliable cerb.
Went out in the evening, and bu**er me the starter is struggling again.
The car was fully up to temp and left for 15 mins. Just managed to fire it up, but my heart sank.
When I got her home I switched off and immediately restarted no probs.
So now I am thinking do I need to change the oil to something a bit thicker as I suspect when it drains down on a hot engine, the crank is becoming tight (just had new rings fitted). So for quick stops I am OK (god I hope so - don't want to sit in the petrol station again).
Incidentally, when I check my oil, the header tank does not drain back into the sump. Reading is same hot or cold. Does anyone else have this? Is this good or bad?
Went out in the evening, and bu**er me the starter is struggling again.
The car was fully up to temp and left for 15 mins. Just managed to fire it up, but my heart sank.
When I got her home I switched off and immediately restarted no probs.
So now I am thinking do I need to change the oil to something a bit thicker as I suspect when it drains down on a hot engine, the crank is becoming tight (just had new rings fitted). So for quick stops I am OK (god I hope so - don't want to sit in the petrol station again).
Incidentally, when I check my oil, the header tank does not drain back into the sump. Reading is same hot or cold. Does anyone else have this? Is this good or bad?
Buffoon said:
Got home yesterday after a drive in the sunshine, happy that apart from a couple of issues I have finally got a reliable cerb.
Went out in the evening, and bu**er me the starter is struggling again.
The car was fully up to temp and left for 15 mins. Just managed to fire it up, but my heart sank.
When I got her home I switched off and immediately restarted no probs.
So now I am thinking do I need to change the oil to something a bit thicker as I suspect when it drains down on a hot engine, the crank is becoming tight (just had new rings fitted). So for quick stops I am OK (god I hope so - don't want to sit in the petrol station again).
Incidentally, when I check my oil, the header tank does not drain back into the sump. Reading is same hot or cold. Does anyone else have this? Is this good or bad?
Oops I forgot to mention the last time..... Check your earth connection for corrosion. Its possible it needs removing, the chassis cleaning off of any rust and the cable reconnecting and a liberal application of copper slip grease. Also check the positive cable run all the way from battery to the stater motor cable is not chaffed and joints are clean and not corroded. I assume you have ruled out a duff battery?Went out in the evening, and bu**er me the starter is struggling again.
The car was fully up to temp and left for 15 mins. Just managed to fire it up, but my heart sank.
When I got her home I switched off and immediately restarted no probs.
So now I am thinking do I need to change the oil to something a bit thicker as I suspect when it drains down on a hot engine, the crank is becoming tight (just had new rings fitted). So for quick stops I am OK (god I hope so - don't want to sit in the petrol station again).
Incidentally, when I check my oil, the header tank does not drain back into the sump. Reading is same hot or cold. Does anyone else have this? Is this good or bad?
G
Well, finally fitted the heat jacket to the starter. Earlier in the day the car had done a lot of slow traffic stop start running, and it barely managed to fire up after 2nd stop.
As soon as I have had the opportunity to give it a similar test with jacket fitted I will post results. Fingers crossed.
As soon as I have had the opportunity to give it a similar test with jacket fitted I will post results. Fingers crossed.
Took the kids to the beach yesterday, and missus decided to come back along the seafront (secretly she likes the car really, just feels it is her job to moan about it).
Traffic was dire and sat in jams for 1/2hr or more. Fan kicking in and out.
Parked up at parents house for 45 mins or so, and she started no probs, still reading 70 degrees. This is the first real test so I am pretty happy. Admittedly not conclusive, but it appears that heat jackets on S6 starters are just as valuable as on the AJP8's.
At last the confidence I needed in the car is back and life is a Beach!
Traffic was dire and sat in jams for 1/2hr or more. Fan kicking in and out.
Parked up at parents house for 45 mins or so, and she started no probs, still reading 70 degrees. This is the first real test so I am pretty happy. Admittedly not conclusive, but it appears that heat jackets on S6 starters are just as valuable as on the AJP8's.
At last the confidence I needed in the car is back and life is a Beach!
Arse!
The hot start issue is slowly returning. Drove from Gatwick to Hastings, swiched off for 2 mins - would not turn over. Drove 4 miles to local shops, switched off for 10 mins, it started - but only just.
So... New Battery, cleaned leads, new starter, heat jacket around starter... What next? It's going in for it's 1000 mile check up and oil change soon so may look at a slightly more viscous oil, but frankly tight pistons does not seem like the cause...
The hot start issue is slowly returning. Drove from Gatwick to Hastings, swiched off for 2 mins - would not turn over. Drove 4 miles to local shops, switched off for 10 mins, it started - but only just.
So... New Battery, cleaned leads, new starter, heat jacket around starter... What next? It's going in for it's 1000 mile check up and oil change soon so may look at a slightly more viscous oil, but frankly tight pistons does not seem like the cause...
The final instalment - I hope.
Got the car to TVR power for service and the starter duly obliged by not starting even when direct coupled to booster.
The starter was replaced again and hey presto!
The crunch is that I had the block replaced aswell (Water apparently seeping from bottom of liners into sump) so I will never know for sure that it was not the block at fault all along.
The heat shield has not been refitted. I wonder if it is more likely to have a negative effect on a six, permitting less air cooling. Radiated heat is much lower on a six than on an eight.
Anyway, with engine rebuilt again, starter replaced, battery replaced, Immobiliser bypassed on starter circuit, the car now fires up on demand everytime and sounds as only the speed six can. Creamy!
Got the car to TVR power for service and the starter duly obliged by not starting even when direct coupled to booster.
The starter was replaced again and hey presto!
The crunch is that I had the block replaced aswell (Water apparently seeping from bottom of liners into sump) so I will never know for sure that it was not the block at fault all along.
The heat shield has not been refitted. I wonder if it is more likely to have a negative effect on a six, permitting less air cooling. Radiated heat is much lower on a six than on an eight.
Anyway, with engine rebuilt again, starter replaced, battery replaced, Immobiliser bypassed on starter circuit, the car now fires up on demand everytime and sounds as only the speed six can. Creamy!
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