TVR Factory S6 mods
Discussion
Interesting question. Perhaps there's a thin line between announcing engineering innovations and admitting that the S6 engine which you as a company built originally had certain flaws in design and component quality. Much better to try and solve these flaws, sorry, evolve the engineering quietly. You can save yourself ££££ in lawsuits allegedly. Or maybe they're just terribly modest. Who knows.
They are promising an improved version at the Motorshow so it will be interesting to find out what has been changed.There have been mods if you read the threads,cam manufacture,oils pump,some (minor) oil path changes,mods to the finger followers.
I think its probably impossible for TVR to release details on changes without triggering a whole new wave of speculation-look what has happened over the redundancy,factory closure,the end is nigh debate.
I think its probably impossible for TVR to release details on changes without triggering a whole new wave of speculation-look what has happened over the redundancy,factory closure,the end is nigh debate.
Personally I would rather see collated info regarding numbers of 2005 + S6 motors that have acheived + 30K miles before I make any assumptions whether or not TVR have/have not engineered adequate solutions to the original S6 problems. However by that time I fear TVR will probably have stopped S6 production and moved on....(purely speculation)!
Just for info
Whilst in discussion with Craft I learned that they approached TVR some time ago and offerred to share information and provide a service but heard nothing in response. IMO its a shame as it would likely improve both Crafts and TVR's supply of engine parts (bulk orders etc...) and maybe provide a better product to all of us. Craft have since gone down the route of intent to be in a position to supply all revised S6 components (except main castings) completely independantly of TVR...I.E they will not have to get any engine component from a TVR source and all of their re-designed components will interface with existing TVR parts. I understand soon they will be able to provide such a service.
I think there are a few indies out there attempting to go this route, but not sure just how far to total independancy they are intending to go.
The bottom line.....its gotta be good for us S6 owners to have an alternative source for parts and services, especially if TVR do happen to stop production of the S6 in the near future.
Regards
G
Just for info
Whilst in discussion with Craft I learned that they approached TVR some time ago and offerred to share information and provide a service but heard nothing in response. IMO its a shame as it would likely improve both Crafts and TVR's supply of engine parts (bulk orders etc...) and maybe provide a better product to all of us. Craft have since gone down the route of intent to be in a position to supply all revised S6 components (except main castings) completely independantly of TVR...I.E they will not have to get any engine component from a TVR source and all of their re-designed components will interface with existing TVR parts. I understand soon they will be able to provide such a service.
I think there are a few indies out there attempting to go this route, but not sure just how far to total independancy they are intending to go.
The bottom line.....its gotta be good for us S6 owners to have an alternative source for parts and services, especially if TVR do happen to stop production of the S6 in the near future.
Regards
G
_DeeJay_ said:
Rumour has it that it's difficult to get almost all parts from the factory at the moment.
Whether that relates to the other rumours of 70 suppliers not being paid on time, is diffcult to say.
D
Yes Im rather well aware of that, hence why I was asking. OK, ill widen the question a little...who is short of what, that they need, that their car is waiting for to get it back on the road, that they are waiting on from the factory?
_DeeJay_ said:
Rumour has it that it's difficult to get almost all parts from the factory at the moment.
Whether that relates to the other rumours of 70 suppliers not being paid on time, is diffcult to say.
D
My dealer ordered new cams and followers for my S6 and they had them in stock and sent them to arrive the following day.
My engine lunched itself (Y2000 4.0L. 20,500 miles)on Thursday - On the way to TVR Power for its annual service. It looks like a bill for beween 2 and 4 grand is heading my way.
The half bearing collapsed and it seems like it scattered itself throughout the engine, we wont now the full extent of the damage until the engine is removed and stripped.
I will let you know if there are any hold ups with parts availability etc.
The half bearing collapsed and it seems like it scattered itself throughout the engine, we wont now the full extent of the damage until the engine is removed and stripped.
I will let you know if there are any hold ups with parts availability etc.
Windswept said:
My engine lunched itself (Y2000 4.0L. 20,500 miles)on Thursday - On the way to TVR Power for its annual service. It looks like a bill for beween 2 and 4 grand is heading my way.
The half bearing collapsed and it seems like it scattered itself throughout the engine, we wont now the full extent of the damage until the engine is removed and stripped.
I will let you know if there are any hold ups with parts availability etc.
Excuse my ignorance, but what is the half bearing?
Windswept said:
My engine lunched itself (Y2000 4.0L. 20,500 miles)on Thursday - On the way to TVR Power for its annual service. It looks like a bill for beween 2 and 4 grand is heading my way.
The half bearing collapsed and it seems like it scattered itself throughout the engine, we wont now the full extent of the damage until the engine is removed and stripped.
I will let you know if there are any hold ups with parts availability etc.
The half bearing collapsed and it seems like it scattered itself throughout the engine, we wont now the full extent of the damage until the engine is removed and stripped.
I will let you know if there are any hold ups with parts availability etc.
Well if you owned a ferrari you'd expect to pay around that every 3 years just to get the cambelt changed! (it's an engine out job in case you didn't already know). Not trying to make light of your unfortunate news but maybe trying to give it some perspective. Here's hoping it's nearer the 2 grand than the 4.
Edited by the pits on Friday 9th June 21:07
the-gofer said:
_DeeJay_ said:
Rumour has it that it's difficult to get almost all parts from the factory at the moment.
Whether that relates to the other rumours of 70 suppliers not being paid on time, is diffcult to say.
D
Whether that relates to the other rumours of 70 suppliers not being paid on time, is diffcult to say.
D
My dealer ordered new cams and followers for my S6 and they had them in stock and sent them to arrive the following day.
All I'm after at the moment is a spare key. It's taken 6 weeks so far and is still on back order at the factory. Dealer cannot supply an estimated time for delivery. It's a good job i've not lost all my keys - It'd have meant months off the road....
D
My understanding of the situation is that TVR Power will be handling all parts supply. The reason is dealers have been playing the factory and Power for credit. In effect they run a bill with Power and get put on hold for credit, then they're forced to use the factory for parts and credit. If there a bit of a cash flow problem at the dealership when invoices are overdue at the factory and Power, they blame the supply of parts, when they haven't paid the invoices.
To prevent this, I was told, TVR Power will be the sole distribution point, so preventing the credit game by dealers. This will help the cash flow.
Therefore, I would suggest going direct to TVR Power for parts.
To prevent this, I was told, TVR Power will be the sole distribution point, so preventing the credit game by dealers. This will help the cash flow.
Therefore, I would suggest going direct to TVR Power for parts.
the pits said:
Well if you owned a ferrari you'd expect to pay around that every 3 years just to get the cambelt changed! (it's an engine out job in case you didn't already know). Not trying to make light of your unfortunate news but maybe trying to give it some perspective. Here's hoping it's nearer the 2 grand than the 4.
Edited by the pits on Friday 9th June 21:07
All very true, but an irrelivance in my humble opinion!
If you had a GT3 or M3 CSL you would expect to drive it for 100K miles without needing an engine rebuild. Don't compare TVR's with a Fezza, they are not the same thing. Sure, 2 seat custom built sports car but one is a 100K+ and the other is 30K to 50K. People who are looking to spend 50K on a sports car will consider GT3's (2nd hand), M3 CSL's, M3's, RS4's and Noble's, and that is why TVR must get it right. If you can afford a Ferrari you can afford the costs of running it. Most people should reasonably expect to not have to fork out for a rebuild at 20K. Enthusiasts will overlook and put up with the hassle, people looking to spend 50K on a fast car won't, and I would estimate that this covers the vast majority of people and is why there are only a trickle of TVR's being sold.
Just imagine if they finally get it right..........I really hope time has not run out! I nearly went the Sagaris route, I mean, REALLY close to buying, but the mileage I do just told me it would be a mistake. I do 20K per year. No issue in an M3 or 911, but I was not seeing enough information (ie facts not conjecture) for the factory OR the dealers. Loved my Griff, want another, but that confidence element is what puts me and I would suggest, the vast majority of prospective owners off. Call me weak......
Edited by housemaster on Friday 23 June 18:33
housemaster said:
the pits said:
Well if you owned a ferrari you'd expect to pay around that every 3 years just to get the cambelt changed! (it's an engine out job in case you didn't already know). Not trying to make light of your unfortunate news but maybe trying to give it some perspective. Here's hoping it's nearer the 2 grand than the 4.
Edited by the pits on Friday 9th June 21:07
All very true, but an irrelivance in my humble opinion!
If you had a GT3 or M3 CSL you would expect to drive it for 100K miles without needing an engine rebuild. Don't compare TVR's with a Fezza, they are not the same thing. Sure, 2 seat custom built sports car but one is a 100K+ and the other is 30K to 50K. People who are looking to spend 50K on a sports car will consider GT3's (2nd hand), M3 CSL's, M3's, RS4's and Noble's, and that is why TVR must get it right. If you can afford a Ferrari you can afford the costs of running it. Most people should reasonably expect to not have to fork out for a rebuild at 20K. Enthusiasts will overlook and put up with the hassle, people looking to spend 50K on a fast car won't, and I would estimate that this covers the vast majority of people and is why there are only a trickle of TVR's being sold.
Just imagine if they finally get it right..........I really hope time has not run out! I nearly went the Sagaris route, I mean, REALLY close to buying, but the mileage I do just told me it would be a mistake. I do 20K per year. No issue in an M3 or 911, but I was not seeing enough information (ie facts not conjecture) for the factory OR the dealers. Loved my Griff, want another, but that confidence element is what puts me and I would suggest, the vast majority of prospective owners off. Call me weak......
Edited by housemaster on Friday 23 June 18:33
Not sure I follow your twisted logic...but yes, you're weak, and I suspect, though only slightly, not quite as genuine as you pretend to be.
the pits said:
Well if you owned a ferrari you'd expect to pay around that every 3 years just to get the cambelt changed!
Well that depends on the Ferrari, I suppose.
I have a 1989 Ferrari 328.
The cam belts are a tenner each.
My tame mechanic fitted them in an afternoon for £160.
Mind you, it is a different matter on the in line V8s fitted to the 348 and thereafter.
Daftlad said:
housemaster said:
the pits said:
Well if you owned a ferrari you'd expect to pay around that every 3 years just to get the cambelt changed! (it's an engine out job in case you didn't already know). Not trying to make light of your unfortunate news but maybe trying to give it some perspective. Here's hoping it's nearer the 2 grand than the 4.
Edited by the pits on Friday 9th June 21:07
All very true, but an irrelivance in my humble opinion!
If you had a GT3 or M3 CSL you would expect to drive it for 100K miles without needing an engine rebuild. Don't compare TVR's with a Fezza, they are not the same thing. Sure, 2 seat custom built sports car but one is a 100K+ and the other is 30K to 50K. People who are looking to spend 50K on a sports car will consider GT3's (2nd hand), M3 CSL's, M3's, RS4's and Noble's, and that is why TVR must get it right. If you can afford a Ferrari you can afford the costs of running it. Most people should reasonably expect to not have to fork out for a rebuild at 20K. Enthusiasts will overlook and put up with the hassle, people looking to spend 50K on a fast car won't, and I would estimate that this covers the vast majority of people and is why there are only a trickle of TVR's being sold.
Just imagine if they finally get it right..........I really hope time has not run out! I nearly went the Sagaris route, I mean, REALLY close to buying, but the mileage I do just told me it would be a mistake. I do 20K per year. No issue in an M3 or 911, but I was not seeing enough information (ie facts not conjecture) for the factory OR the dealers. Loved my Griff, want another, but that confidence element is what puts me and I would suggest, the vast majority of prospective owners off. Call me weak......
Edited by housemaster on Friday 23 June 18:33
Not sure I follow your twisted logic...but yes, you're weak, and I suspect, though only slightly, not quite as genuine as you pretend to be.
You have your view I state mine. Your inference is both incorrect and wasted, but not unexpected. Your nickname seems to be totally appropriate too.
Edited by housemaster on Saturday 24th June 13:33
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