What does it mean when one throttle pot is hissing air?

What does it mean when one throttle pot is hissing air?

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Cockey

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1,384 posts

235 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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Whilst balancing my throttle pots, number 6 keeps puffing out air every so often. It's enough to cause the air flow to drop from 7 to 4 briefly, and is quite a noticeable amount of air if you hold your hand a few cm in front.

Is that a misfire? There's no bang, just a puffing/hissing noise. All other cylinders are fine and I cleaned up all the ht lead connections (they're new anyway) and the little black plugs on top of each throttle pot. Car seems to run fine despite this.

m4tti

5,466 posts

162 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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Do you mean throttle bodies? The pots are potentiometers that effectively measure the angle of the butterflies and feed that back to the ecu.

Cockey

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1,384 posts

235 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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Oh yeah, sorry. The number 6 body.

PetrolHeadPete

750 posts

196 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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Means that body is running too lean. You get small flash and pop from under the butterfly. If its adjusted to min already then suspect an air leak on that body...spindle or round the base to the head.

Cockey

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1,384 posts

235 months

Tuesday 17th June 2014
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Got it, thanks Pete.

When you say set to minimum, do you mean the butterflies should all be as closed as possible whilst balancing? This time I tried balancing the bodies whilst the engine was running higher rpm than previously. It gave a reading of just under 7 on the syncrometer. Number 6 is the only one behaving like this and only whilst idling (happens once every 10s or so).

PetrolHeadPete

750 posts

196 months

Thursday 19th June 2014
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If synchrometer says 7 and its still popping...you have an air leak below the butterfly frown That cyl is still too lean yet only 7cfm/min is going in through the throttle mouth. The other air is coming from somewhere else i.e. spindle or base flange.

Andy_mr2sc

1,226 posts

183 months

Thursday 19th June 2014
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Sounds to me like you need this modification:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/parts-and-p...

I believe the same guy (ie me) will be selling some insulated gaskets that sit between the body and the head too....

Cockey

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1,384 posts

235 months

Thursday 19th June 2014
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Ha, I've been looking at that advert a lot recently. Really love to get it done sometime. It's the time off the road whilst the weather is so nice which puts me off (my garage guy took a month to get the 12k done!).

Out of interest, once the bodies are off, how long does it take to get them back again?

Andy_mr2sc

1,226 posts

183 months

Thursday 19th June 2014
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I know what you mean about the weather. My fingers are crossed that my gearbox stays together till the end of the season!
I can have your throttle bodies back within two days from when I receive them.
It would be worthwhile using gaskets between the bodies and cylinder head while it is apart. I am working on some at the moment that can be used and re used dry and offer some heat insulation between the two parts to reduce intake temperatures.

Cockey

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1,384 posts

235 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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Wow, two days is great! If I can work out how to remove them myself I think I'm going to go for it. Sounds too good not to!

Can't really know yet when I'll do this, but I'll be in touch.

Cheers


Andy_mr2sc

1,226 posts

183 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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No worries just let me know. Try and give me some notice when you decide to go ahead so I can make sure I have the bearings in stock.

Andy

Cockey

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1,384 posts

235 months

Friday 20th June 2014
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Will do, thanks Andy.

Thanks Pete too. Your cylinder head refurb guide was very helpful whilst learning how to balance the throttle bodies.