Happy St. Patricks Day
Discussion
Firstly Happy St Patrick's day to all the Irish. 
(and English)
I've done a lot of googling and I'm still non the wiser but is St Patrick Welsh or English?
There's plenty saying he was born in the "Welsh lands" but also that he was from near Northampton!
Also, when they say "Welsh" they don't mean the geographical Wales we know. It's not like he walked around scaring sheep and saying "Boyo" etc.
So is he actually English but that would be abhorrent to the Irish so the next best thing is Welsh?
Even if he is English what does that actually mean?
(I know that he was captured by the Irish and held as a "slave" and escaped then got ordained then went back to Ireland etc)
(and English)I've done a lot of googling and I'm still non the wiser but is St Patrick Welsh or English?
There's plenty saying he was born in the "Welsh lands" but also that he was from near Northampton!
Also, when they say "Welsh" they don't mean the geographical Wales we know. It's not like he walked around scaring sheep and saying "Boyo" etc.
So is he actually English but that would be abhorrent to the Irish so the next best thing is Welsh?
Even if he is English what does that actually mean?
(I know that he was captured by the Irish and held as a "slave" and escaped then got ordained then went back to Ireland etc)
We're not even sure if Patrick was a single individual or based on a number of Romano British clerics who came to Ireland in the 5th century AD to convert the Irish. The name Patrick comes from the Roman class of Patrician, who were the upper middle classes of Roman society and, in the later Christian era of Roman civilisation, provided sons for the clergy. So "Patrick" could simply be a corruption of the name of the TYPE of people who were bringing Christianity to Ireland.
There are two documents by Patrick which are recognized by all parties as being genuine: his "Confession" or "Epistle to the Irish" and his epistle to the Christians under the cruel king, Coroticus. Then too, we should mention the Lorica or Hymn of Patrick, originally written in Latin and known as The Breastplate. These authentic writings in an irrefutable way support our convictions concerning the Apostle to the Irish.
Patrick, in his own "Confession" tells us that he was a Briton, not an Irishman. He first saw the light of day in the town of Dumbarton on the River Clyde in the south of Scotland about the year 389 A.D. His father was a Christian deacon and his grandfather a clergyman in the ancient church of Britain, which had never come under the yoke of Rome. These facts in themselves practically crush the claims of the papacy.
Taken from here,
http://www.reformedreader.org/history/patrick.htm
We all know Patrick wasn't Irish.
Part of the legend is that he was kidnapped from Briton as a youngster by an Irish pirate (Niall of the Nine Hostages - I wonder who the other eight were?). During his imprisonment in Ireland he learned to love the Irish and developed the urge to convert them to Christianity. On his release, he trained as a cleric and eventually returned to Ireland to preach.
It's probably all a load of old blarney, to be honest.
Part of the legend is that he was kidnapped from Briton as a youngster by an Irish pirate (Niall of the Nine Hostages - I wonder who the other eight were?). During his imprisonment in Ireland he learned to love the Irish and developed the urge to convert them to Christianity. On his release, he trained as a cleric and eventually returned to Ireland to preach.
It's probably all a load of old blarney, to be honest.
Just reading up about the legend of St Patrick on the internet, it's interesting stuff.
Anyway, enough of this historical nonsense, who is having a beer tonight?
The company I work for is actually Irish and they are throwing a big party tonight. They have even flown down a band from Dublin for entertainment as well as lots of Guninness. They've even hoisted a big old Tricolour over the unit we're working on, much to the amusement of the locals!
Anyway, enough of this historical nonsense, who is having a beer tonight?
The company I work for is actually Irish and they are throwing a big party tonight. They have even flown down a band from Dublin for entertainment as well as lots of Guninness. They've even hoisted a big old Tricolour over the unit we're working on, much to the amusement of the locals!
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