Brake pads Exige s
Discussion
I want more info on the Carbon Lorraine.
Otherwise:
Pagid - great track pads. Road? Not sure - expensive as hell, and not technically road legal IIRC. Some report squeal.
Mintex 1144 - not better enough than OEM to bother IMO, *loads* of brake dust, and can be noisy.
EBC - forget Green, they are terrible on any Elise / Exige. Yellow are what most of us use, and are 95% of the performance of the then-benchmark blue Pagid at 50% of the cost. But they can scare you from cold. If you're not doing trackdays then I'd suggest giving their Red pad a try - very low brake dust indeed, and bite from cold. I had some on a supercharged 993 and they didn't fade on an all-day Brands GP trackday in midsummer (and I wasn't hanging around).
I can't stand squealing brakes, in a car as conspicuous as a lairy coloured Exige, town brake squeal is just embarrassing, and mine isn't a pure track slag so they need to work first time. If I had to choose again right now I'd get EBC yellows, but there are good reports on the Carbon Lorraine. What I don't know is whether they're just as expensive as Pagid and whether they're good because they're great on track... or whether they're good on road too.
Otherwise:
Pagid - great track pads. Road? Not sure - expensive as hell, and not technically road legal IIRC. Some report squeal.
Mintex 1144 - not better enough than OEM to bother IMO, *loads* of brake dust, and can be noisy.
EBC - forget Green, they are terrible on any Elise / Exige. Yellow are what most of us use, and are 95% of the performance of the then-benchmark blue Pagid at 50% of the cost. But they can scare you from cold. If you're not doing trackdays then I'd suggest giving their Red pad a try - very low brake dust indeed, and bite from cold. I had some on a supercharged 993 and they didn't fade on an all-day Brands GP trackday in midsummer (and I wasn't hanging around).
I can't stand squealing brakes, in a car as conspicuous as a lairy coloured Exige, town brake squeal is just embarrassing, and mine isn't a pure track slag so they need to work first time. If I had to choose again right now I'd get EBC yellows, but there are good reports on the Carbon Lorraine. What I don't know is whether they're just as expensive as Pagid and whether they're good because they're great on track... or whether they're good on road too.
Just put some Carbon Lorraine RC5+ pads in mine, awesome initial bite when cold puts the OEM stuff to shame.
I fitted some anti squeel pads on the back of them and in the side of the caliper, no squeel whatsoever.
Dust wise, I haven't noticed anything yet but I'm still bedding them in to be honest.
Neil.
I fitted some anti squeel pads on the back of them and in the side of the caliper, no squeel whatsoever.
Dust wise, I haven't noticed anything yet but I'm still bedding them in to be honest.
Neil.
Very much personal choice. My 2p:
Pagid RS14s are good but are a track-pad. Somewhat aggressive on the discs and need to be treated with care on the road. The RS42s are a better compromise for road use.
One that hasn't been mentioned above is the Performance Friction 001 (I think), which is worth considering. It won't last as long as the Pagids but is good for track work and provides very good pedal feel (IMO). Costs much less than the Pagids too.
EBC Yellow Stuff is also a good pad, based on my experience with the 944 Turbo.
HTH
theturbs said:
Very much personal choice. My 2p:
Pagid RS14s are good but are a track-pad. Somewhat aggressive on the discs and need to be treated with care on the road. The RS42s are a better compromise for road use.
One that hasn't been mentioned above is the Performance Friction 001 (I think), which is worth considering. It won't last as long as the Pagids but is good for track work and provides very good pedal feel (IMO). Costs much less than the Pagids too.
EBC Yellow Stuff is also a good pad, based on my experience with the 944 Turbo.
HTH
I'd be wary of performance friction. I've got a set of PF 97's on at the moment and while they are fantastic at stopping the car they are quite abrasive on the disc and the metallic "dust" (better described as lava) nearly destroyed the alloys in one wet track day. Got very close to having to have all 4 wheels stripped and re-powder coated.Pagid RS14s are good but are a track-pad. Somewhat aggressive on the discs and need to be treated with care on the road. The RS42s are a better compromise for road use.
One that hasn't been mentioned above is the Performance Friction 001 (I think), which is worth considering. It won't last as long as the Pagids but is good for track work and provides very good pedal feel (IMO). Costs much less than the Pagids too.
EBC Yellow Stuff is also a good pad, based on my experience with the 944 Turbo.
HTH
Had green s
te on the front as this was what a "lotus specialist" put on for me, they said they were ok. Please do not get them, i was driving towards a roundabout, a car was coming, went to press the brakes and virtualy nothing- ended up accelerating to avoid an accident.
Now use yellow stuff and they are in my opinion very good, never been on track so can't comment on that but excellent for road use.
te on the front as this was what a "lotus specialist" put on for me, they said they were ok. Please do not get them, i was driving towards a roundabout, a car was coming, went to press the brakes and virtualy nothing- ended up accelerating to avoid an accident.Now use yellow stuff and they are in my opinion very good, never been on track so can't comment on that but excellent for road use.
21TonyK said:
theturbs said:
Very much personal choice. My 2p:
Pagid RS14s are good but are a track-pad. Somewhat aggressive on the discs and need to be treated with care on the road. The RS42s are a better compromise for road use.
One that hasn't been mentioned above is the Performance Friction 001 (I think), which is worth considering. It won't last as long as the Pagids but is good for track work and provides very good pedal feel (IMO). Costs much less than the Pagids too.
EBC Yellow Stuff is also a good pad, based on my experience with the 944 Turbo.
HTH
I'd be wary of performance friction. I've got a set of PF 97's on at the moment and while they are fantastic at stopping the car they are quite abrasive on the disc and the metallic "dust" (better described as lava) nearly destroyed the alloys in one wet track day. Got very close to having to have all 4 wheels stripped and re-powder coated.Pagid RS14s are good but are a track-pad. Somewhat aggressive on the discs and need to be treated with care on the road. The RS42s are a better compromise for road use.
One that hasn't been mentioned above is the Performance Friction 001 (I think), which is worth considering. It won't last as long as the Pagids but is good for track work and provides very good pedal feel (IMO). Costs much less than the Pagids too.
EBC Yellow Stuff is also a good pad, based on my experience with the 944 Turbo.
HTH
theturbs said:
21TonyK said:
theturbs said:
Very much personal choice. My 2p:
Pagid RS14s are good but are a track-pad. Somewhat aggressive on the discs and need to be treated with care on the road. The RS42s are a better compromise for road use.
One that hasn't been mentioned above is the Performance Friction 001 (I think), which is worth considering. It won't last as long as the Pagids but is good for track work and provides very good pedal feel (IMO). Costs much less than the Pagids too.
EBC Yellow Stuff is also a good pad, based on my experience with the 944 Turbo.
HTH
I'd be wary of performance friction. I've got a set of PF 97's on at the moment and while they are fantastic at stopping the car they are quite abrasive on the disc and the metallic "dust" (better described as lava) nearly destroyed the alloys in one wet track day. Got very close to having to have all 4 wheels stripped and re-powder coated.Pagid RS14s are good but are a track-pad. Somewhat aggressive on the discs and need to be treated with care on the road. The RS42s are a better compromise for road use.
One that hasn't been mentioned above is the Performance Friction 001 (I think), which is worth considering. It won't last as long as the Pagids but is good for track work and provides very good pedal feel (IMO). Costs much less than the Pagids too.
EBC Yellow Stuff is also a good pad, based on my experience with the 944 Turbo.
HTH
This as AFTER normal cleaning and a dose of wonder wheels (which did nothing)
Do you want to eat pads or disks?
From experience Mintex 1144s are great on the road and the occasional track day, but they produce a lot of dust and don't last very long.
Pagid 42s are great when warmed up, however I've had a few "fk - please stop!" moments with them when cold. They also chew the disks.
From experience Mintex 1144s are great on the road and the occasional track day, but they produce a lot of dust and don't last very long.
Pagid 42s are great when warmed up, however I've had a few "f
k - please stop!" moments with them when cold. They also chew the disks.Mobile Chicane said:
Do you want to eat pads or disks?
From experience Mintex 1144s are great on the road and the occasional track day, but they produce a lot of dust and don't last very long.
Pagid 42s are great when warmed up, however I've had a few "fk - please stop!" moments with them when cold. They also chew the disks.
can't agree with the Padgid comment?From experience Mintex 1144s are great on the road and the occasional track day, but they produce a lot of dust and don't last very long.
Pagid 42s are great when warmed up, however I've had a few "f
k - please stop!" moments with them when cold. They also chew the disks.never come across cold bite issues (even in this weather), and they are no harder on the disks than any other carbon/metallic pad (use cheese for disks, then this kind of thing will happen).
This question comes up regularly and the answers generally cover the same products.
Apart from one recent edition to the fold - Carbone Lorraine.
Well known in motorcycle circles including Moto GP (and a certain Mr Rossi) and they also produce brake products for various commercial aircraft.
The construction of these is quite unique in that the pad material is brazed to the back plate instead of bonded as in the production of 'normal' resin based pads.
The friction material is stable from 0 - 1000 degrees Celcious.
Fade doesnt apply.
Much increased bite from cold.
Noise or squeal - nil.
Dust - very little, and what dust that is produced is of a 'graphite' like consistency. Washes off easily and doesnt adhere to the wheel surface at all.
Pedal pressure is very linear in relation to work given, when used at high speed force required at brake pedal is similar to a servo assisted vehicle.
These have been developed specifically for the Elise/Exige by Chris Randall of Hoffmans Motorsport and a few different 'recipes' were tried until the squeal that the competion versions of these are known for was totally eradicated.
In short - these pads are in a different league to anything else available.
Yes, that's a bold statement to make and no I havent tried all the other's out there but I've every confidence you'll agree with me after trying them.
Here's some info on the construction of these from the manufacturer's website -
http://www.carbonelorraine-moto.com/e_materiaux_fr...
And here's where you get them from (Ask for RC5+) -
http://www.hofmanns.co.uk/content/index.asp?id=47
Apart from one recent edition to the fold - Carbone Lorraine.
Well known in motorcycle circles including Moto GP (and a certain Mr Rossi) and they also produce brake products for various commercial aircraft.
The construction of these is quite unique in that the pad material is brazed to the back plate instead of bonded as in the production of 'normal' resin based pads.
The friction material is stable from 0 - 1000 degrees Celcious.
Fade doesnt apply.
Much increased bite from cold.
Noise or squeal - nil.
Dust - very little, and what dust that is produced is of a 'graphite' like consistency. Washes off easily and doesnt adhere to the wheel surface at all.
Pedal pressure is very linear in relation to work given, when used at high speed force required at brake pedal is similar to a servo assisted vehicle.
These have been developed specifically for the Elise/Exige by Chris Randall of Hoffmans Motorsport and a few different 'recipes' were tried until the squeal that the competion versions of these are known for was totally eradicated.
In short - these pads are in a different league to anything else available.
Yes, that's a bold statement to make and no I havent tried all the other's out there but I've every confidence you'll agree with me after trying them.
Here's some info on the construction of these from the manufacturer's website -
http://www.carbonelorraine-moto.com/e_materiaux_fr...
And here's where you get them from (Ask for RC5+) -
http://www.hofmanns.co.uk/content/index.asp?id=47
Scuffers said:
Mobile Chicane said:
Do you want to eat pads or disks?
From experience Mintex 1144s are great on the road and the occasional track day, but they produce a lot of dust and don't last very long.
Pagid 42s are great when warmed up, however I've had a few "fk - please stop!" moments with them when cold. They also chew the disks.
can't agree with the Padgid comment?From experience Mintex 1144s are great on the road and the occasional track day, but they produce a lot of dust and don't last very long.
Pagid 42s are great when warmed up, however I've had a few "f
k - please stop!" moments with them when cold. They also chew the disks.never come across cold bite issues (even in this weather), and they are no harder on the disks than any other carbon/metallic pad (use cheese for disks, then this kind of thing will happen).
We run PF disc and pad combinations on our Exige S, 2-Eleven and this set up will be on 2 Elise R race cars in the ET series next season. One thing we discovered with Porsches was that PF pads work better with PF discs but that said we still prefer the PF pad over Pagid on standard, EBC and AP discs on the Elise \ Exige. I'd probably only recommend them to those who want pure performance however as they can be a bit noisy sometimes. If your pads are just a bit of jewellery and you don't push your card hard enough to make race pads wortwhile then I'd just stick to good old Mintex, good pads on a light car and very cost effective.
Stephen
www.track-club.com
The carbone lorraine RC5+ has been manufactured for use on road and track cars so specifically was designed so it does not produce dust or noise.
Try www.cl-brakes.co.uk for good prices...
Try www.cl-brakes.co.uk for good prices...
Batfink said:
The carbone lorraine RC5+ has been manufactured for use on road and track cars so specifically was designed so it does not produce dust or noise.
Try www.cl-brakes.co.uk for good prices...
Hmm,thats interesting,who is this guy then and which is the 'official' site?Try www.cl-brakes.co.uk for good prices...
http://www.carbonelorrainebraking.co.uk/
Anyone have experience with either?
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