Exige 350, 380, 390, 410, 420 and 430 - How they differ?
Discussion
Hi there
I have an early Emira order placed but am actually considering would I prefer an Exige or would an Exige simply be the better place to drop 60-85k?
I see lots of various models and I've kind of worked out:
350 & 380 are the older style supercharged 3.5l V6 so around 380HP is the limit.
The 390 upwards are charge cooled and thus 430 comes with ease from just a remap.
Apart from the power headline figures, how do these cars differ? 45-55k gets you into a nice 350 or 75k gets you into a 410, is the difference just 60HP and whats the score with 390 and 420 final version, just the final sticker or is there more to it? Is there a huge difference between a 350 and 410 for example and are modern 350's charge cooled and can be mapped to 430 or is it just the 390 and upwards that can be mapped to 430?
If anyone here is a Lotus expert and could put it into simple to understand what the differences are it would be appreciated please.
I have an early Emira order placed but am actually considering would I prefer an Exige or would an Exige simply be the better place to drop 60-85k?
I see lots of various models and I've kind of worked out:
350 & 380 are the older style supercharged 3.5l V6 so around 380HP is the limit.
The 390 upwards are charge cooled and thus 430 comes with ease from just a remap.
Apart from the power headline figures, how do these cars differ? 45-55k gets you into a nice 350 or 75k gets you into a 410, is the difference just 60HP and whats the score with 390 and 420 final version, just the final sticker or is there more to it? Is there a huge difference between a 350 and 410 for example and are modern 350's charge cooled and can be mapped to 430 or is it just the 390 and upwards that can be mapped to 430?
If anyone here is a Lotus expert and could put it into simple to understand what the differences are it would be appreciated please.
There is a wiki page here which explains it all: https://wiki.seloc.org/a/Exige_V6_model_history_mi...
One of the things not mentioned on there is that the standard 410 is too loud for almost all UK tracks, so aftermarket exhaust/silencer solutions are required if you intend to track it.
One of the things not mentioned on there is that the standard 410 is too loud for almost all UK tracks, so aftermarket exhaust/silencer solutions are required if you intend to track it.
This debate could go on for a while
....
But a 410(£4600) or 430(£5400) power upgrade is possible for and S / 350 / 380
Although if a road car with occasional track use, there is an argument that the stock 350 bhp is a better car ..
https://www.seriouslylotus.com/komo-tec
Other sellers available.. or head to the ring for the weekend and come back with a few extra horses
Going full carbon is the expensive bit
....
But a 410(£4600) or 430(£5400) power upgrade is possible for and S / 350 / 380
Although if a road car with occasional track use, there is an argument that the stock 350 bhp is a better car ..
https://www.seriouslylotus.com/komo-tec
Other sellers available.. or head to the ring for the weekend and come back with a few extra horses
Going full carbon is the expensive bit
Edited by custardkid on Tuesday 5th October 17:15
What are you planning to do with the car OP? Most owners rarely drive them and few dare to track them more than the odd LoT day.
If it's a road car you're after then go for the 350 to 390 bracket and save the extra cash. If you plan to do track days then the 410/420/430 is the more focused option with the expensive mods done already.
If it's a road car you're after then go for the 350 to 390 bracket and save the extra cash. If you plan to do track days then the 410/420/430 is the more focused option with the expensive mods done already.
custardkid said:
This debate could go on for a while
....
But a 410(£4600) or 430(£5400) power upgrade is possible for and S / 350 / 380
Although if a road car with occasional track use, there is an argument that the stock 350 bhp is a better car ..
https://www.seriouslylotus.com/komo-tec
Other sellers available.. or head to the ring for the weekend and come back with a few extra horses
Going full carbon is the expensive bit
My car was the 2nd KT460 that Dave & John at SL did (The first was my mate's and we did them at the same time around a year ago).....
But a 410(£4600) or 430(£5400) power upgrade is possible for and S / 350 / 380
Although if a road car with occasional track use, there is an argument that the stock 350 bhp is a better car ..
https://www.seriouslylotus.com/komo-tec
Other sellers available.. or head to the ring for the weekend and come back with a few extra horses
Going full carbon is the expensive bit
Edited by custardkid on Tuesday 5th October 17:15
Epic things. Mostly we track them but we also toured Scotland in them this year along with a mate who has a V6S that SL put the KT 430 kit on just after doing ours. The 430 and 460 kits feel like a factory car. The power is linear and suits the car perfectly. Overtaking on the road is more akin to teleportation (and I own a few fairly rapid road cars).
Totally reliable too although the 430 kit is fine on track if you're going at it reasonably 'hard' but with the added charge cooler, if you're pushing it more on track, the 460 kit would be more suitable. Horses for courses.
PS. On weight saving rather than carbon the most effective way is to buy a LiteBlox lithium battery from SL. £1000, 15kgs saved over the factory battery (and it's right out by the nearside rear light where you dont want it).
Happy to answer any questions on Seriously Lotus's Komotec applications.
Edited by _Leg_ on Tuesday 5th October 19:37
Gibbo205 said:
Hi there
I have an early Emira order placed but am actually considering would I prefer an Exige or would an Exige simply be the better place to drop 60-85k?
I see lots of various models and I've kind of worked out:
350 & 380 are the older style supercharged 3.5l V6 so around 380HP is the limit.
The 390 upwards are charge cooled and thus 430 comes with ease from just a remap.
Apart from the power headline figures, how do these cars differ? 45-55k gets you into a nice 350 or 75k gets you into a 410, is the difference just 60HP and whats the score with 390 and 420 final version, just the final sticker or is there more to it? Is there a huge difference between a 350 and 410 for example and are modern 350's charge cooled and can be mapped to 430 or is it just the 390 and upwards that can be mapped to 430?
If anyone here is a Lotus expert and could put it into simple to understand what the differences are it would be appreciated please.
I am afraid you aren’t correct about just a remap to go from 390 to 430, I have an early Emira order placed but am actually considering would I prefer an Exige or would an Exige simply be the better place to drop 60-85k?
I see lots of various models and I've kind of worked out:
350 & 380 are the older style supercharged 3.5l V6 so around 380HP is the limit.
The 390 upwards are charge cooled and thus 430 comes with ease from just a remap.
Apart from the power headline figures, how do these cars differ? 45-55k gets you into a nice 350 or 75k gets you into a 410, is the difference just 60HP and whats the score with 390 and 420 final version, just the final sticker or is there more to it? Is there a huge difference between a 350 and 410 for example and are modern 350's charge cooled and can be mapped to 430 or is it just the 390 and upwards that can be mapped to 430?
If anyone here is a Lotus expert and could put it into simple to understand what the differences are it would be appreciated please.
Happy to be corrected but the Cup 430 mods are infinitely different from the rest of the range, not least the exhaust system
_Leg_ said:
custardkid said:
This debate could go on for a while
....
But a 410(£4600) or 430(£5400) power upgrade is possible for and S / 350 / 380
Although if a road car with occasional track use, there is an argument that the stock 350 bhp is a better car ..
https://www.seriouslylotus.com/komo-tec
Other sellers available.. or head to the ring for the weekend and come back with a few extra horses
Going full carbon is the expensive bit
My car was the 2nd KT460 that Dave & John at SL did (The first was my mate's and we did them at the same time around a year ago).....
But a 410(£4600) or 430(£5400) power upgrade is possible for and S / 350 / 380
Although if a road car with occasional track use, there is an argument that the stock 350 bhp is a better car ..
https://www.seriouslylotus.com/komo-tec
Other sellers available.. or head to the ring for the weekend and come back with a few extra horses
Going full carbon is the expensive bit
Edited by custardkid on Tuesday 5th October 17:15
Epic things. Mostly we track them but we also toured Scotland in them this year along with a mate who has a V6S that SL put the KT 430 kit on just after doing ours. The 430 and 460 kits feel like a factory car. The power is linear and suits the car perfectly. Overtaking on the road is more akin to teleportation (and I own a few fairly rapid road cars).
Totally reliable too although the 430 kit is fine on track if you're going at it reasonably 'hard' but with the added charge cooler, if you're pushing it more on track, the 460 kit would be more suitable. Horses for courses.
PS. On weight saving rather than carbon the most effective way is to buy a LiteBlox lithium battery from SL. £1000, 15kgs saved over the factory battery (and it's right out by the nearside rear light where you dont want it).
Happy to answer any questions on Seriously Lotus's Komotec applications.
Edited by _Leg_ on Tuesday 5th October 19:37
... May quiz you when the Komotec time comes
Rocketreid said:
Gibbo205 said:
Hi there
I have an early Emira order placed but am actually considering would I prefer an Exige or would an Exige simply be the better place to drop 60-85k?
I see lots of various models and I've kind of worked out:
350 & 380 are the older style supercharged 3.5l V6 so around 380HP is the limit.
The 390 upwards are charge cooled and thus 430 comes with ease from just a remap.
Apart from the power headline figures, how do these cars differ? 45-55k gets you into a nice 350 or 75k gets you into a 410, is the difference just 60HP and whats the score with 390 and 420 final version, just the final sticker or is there more to it? Is there a huge difference between a 350 and 410 for example and are modern 350's charge cooled and can be mapped to 430 or is it just the 390 and upwards that can be mapped to 430?
If anyone here is a Lotus expert and could put it into simple to understand what the differences are it would be appreciated please.
I am afraid you aren’t correct about just a remap to go from 390 to 430, I have an early Emira order placed but am actually considering would I prefer an Exige or would an Exige simply be the better place to drop 60-85k?
I see lots of various models and I've kind of worked out:
350 & 380 are the older style supercharged 3.5l V6 so around 380HP is the limit.
The 390 upwards are charge cooled and thus 430 comes with ease from just a remap.
Apart from the power headline figures, how do these cars differ? 45-55k gets you into a nice 350 or 75k gets you into a 410, is the difference just 60HP and whats the score with 390 and 420 final version, just the final sticker or is there more to it? Is there a huge difference between a 350 and 410 for example and are modern 350's charge cooled and can be mapped to 430 or is it just the 390 and upwards that can be mapped to 430?
If anyone here is a Lotus expert and could put it into simple to understand what the differences are it would be appreciated please.
Happy to be corrected but the Cup 430 mods are infinitely different from the rest of the range, not least the exhaust system
I have asked Lotus directly and indirectly for the Cup 430 file and they very firmly refused to supply it.
Other differences are minimal over the 410/420 as they have all the rest as standard (bar clam and rear wing aero upgrades), but the 390 does not have the braking, suspension or carbon mods of the 410-430 range unless you tick the boxes...... but then you'd just buy a 410 or higher at that extra cost wouldn't you?
Hi there
Looking at this:
https://www.oakmeremotorgroup.co.uk/used/cars/lotu...
Is 73k considered a good or high price for a 410 20th edition? What does the 20th edition give over the regular 410 version please?
Looking at this:
https://www.oakmeremotorgroup.co.uk/used/cars/lotu...
Is 73k considered a good or high price for a 410 20th edition? What does the 20th edition give over the regular 410 version please?
You won't go wrong with a 20th edition, they come practically fully loaded with the important options like carbon seats and nitrons etc.
There are some 410s out there without the carbon seats. These are quite easy to identify and probably best avoided unless they are good bit cheaper than a carbon seated car. Carbon seats are like 5k from lotus!
Price wise, these cars were around 80k brand new.
Might be worth finding out if this car is this one on the video: https://youtu.be/SFCwgMUP57k
That PPF and ceramic is 2k of work.
There are some 410s out there without the carbon seats. These are quite easy to identify and probably best avoided unless they are good bit cheaper than a carbon seated car. Carbon seats are like 5k from lotus!
Price wise, these cars were around 80k brand new.
Might be worth finding out if this car is this one on the video: https://youtu.be/SFCwgMUP57k
That PPF and ceramic is 2k of work.
Edited by tactical lizard on Monday 18th October 13:44
tactical lizard said:
You won't go wrong with a 20th edition, they come practically fully loaded with the important options like carbon seats and nitrons etc.
There are some 410s out there without the carbon seats. These are quite easy to identify and probably best avoided unless they are good bit cheaper than a carbon seated car. Carbon seats are like 5k from lotus!
Price wise, these cars were around 80k brand new.
Might be worth finding out if this car is this one on the video: https://youtu.be/SFCwgMUP57k
That PPF and ceramic is 2k of work.
Not sure if its one in the video.There are some 410s out there without the carbon seats. These are quite easy to identify and probably best avoided unless they are good bit cheaper than a carbon seated car. Carbon seats are like 5k from lotus!
Price wise, these cars were around 80k brand new.
Might be worth finding out if this car is this one on the video: https://youtu.be/SFCwgMUP57k
That PPF and ceramic is 2k of work.
Edited by tactical lizard on Monday 18th October 13:44
Where do people think the value of such a car would be in say 12 months with 5000 miles on the clock, if I buy at 73k what kind of trade offer can I expect in 9-12 months time on it does anyone know please?
Gibbo205 said:
Not sure if its one in the video.
Where do people think the value of such a car would be in say 12 months with 5000 miles on the clock, if I buy at 73k what kind of trade offer can I expect in 9-12 months time on it does anyone know please?
Your best bet maybe to go on a Lotus forum like Seloc where they have a dedicated 'Exige S market watch' thread, im sure you will get mutiple different replies! but even some independent dealers might chime in. Where do people think the value of such a car would be in say 12 months with 5000 miles on the clock, if I buy at 73k what kind of trade offer can I expect in 9-12 months time on it does anyone know please?
I hope to be in the market for a V6 Exige of some description soon, I've been keeping and eye for a while and that one looks like a nice car. My 2 pence worth is they are the last of a breed of car of which we wont see again so in theory if the market in general holds up they should hold up nicely too. The lowest 410 I have seen sell in the last 6 months was for a highish miles car (15,000 I think) at just sub £60k. My guess for a trade bid in 12 months would be around £60k but with a large dose of WTFDIK
ETA thats assuming milage sub 10k at resale
Edited by Rocket. on Tuesday 19th October 13:47
When I was looking this time last year, a two year old car was trading in at around 60k and on dealer forecourts at 65k ish. Looking at the classifieds now most cars are near 70k - 85k.
I would have thought those 18 plate cars would still be 60k trade in and 65-68k at a dealer but doesn't look like any 18 plates for sale at the moment.
If you can get a 410 for low-mid 60s then I doubt you would lose anything in a year or even two. As the previous poster has said the prices have firmed up and even the top end prices seem to be higher than what I was looking at last year.
I would expect to potentially lose 7-10k on that orange exige in the first year but after that you would probably lose nothing, If you can keep the car 3 years then it would not cost you much per year to keep. That exige is practically brand new as well.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 20th editions become more desirable than the final editions due to all the added extras and uniform colour coding. I believe the final editions required everything to be added and paid for as extras so there are probably a few cars out there with low spec compared to others. I may be wrong but time will tell.
I would have thought those 18 plate cars would still be 60k trade in and 65-68k at a dealer but doesn't look like any 18 plates for sale at the moment.
If you can get a 410 for low-mid 60s then I doubt you would lose anything in a year or even two. As the previous poster has said the prices have firmed up and even the top end prices seem to be higher than what I was looking at last year.
I would expect to potentially lose 7-10k on that orange exige in the first year but after that you would probably lose nothing, If you can keep the car 3 years then it would not cost you much per year to keep. That exige is practically brand new as well.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 20th editions become more desirable than the final editions due to all the added extras and uniform colour coding. I believe the final editions required everything to be added and paid for as extras so there are probably a few cars out there with low spec compared to others. I may be wrong but time will tell.
_Leg_ said:
custardkid said:
This debate could go on for a while
....
But a 410(£4600) or 430(£5400) power upgrade is possible for and S / 350 / 380
Although if a road car with occasional track use, there is an argument that the stock 350 bhp is a better car ..
https://www.seriouslylotus.com/komo-tec
Other sellers available.. or head to the ring for the weekend and come back with a few extra horses
Going full carbon is the expensive bit
My car was the 2nd KT460 that Dave & John at SL did (The first was my mate's and we did them at the same time around a year ago).....
But a 410(£4600) or 430(£5400) power upgrade is possible for and S / 350 / 380
Although if a road car with occasional track use, there is an argument that the stock 350 bhp is a better car ..
https://www.seriouslylotus.com/komo-tec
Other sellers available.. or head to the ring for the weekend and come back with a few extra horses
Going full carbon is the expensive bit
Edited by custardkid on Tuesday 5th October 17:15
Epic things. Mostly we track them but we also toured Scotland in them this year along with a mate who has a V6S that SL put the KT 430 kit on just after doing ours. The 430 and 460 kits feel like a factory car. The power is linear and suits the car perfectly. Overtaking on the road is more akin to teleportation (and I own a few fairly rapid road cars).
Totally reliable too although the 430 kit is fine on track if you're going at it reasonably 'hard' but with the added charge cooler, if you're pushing it more on track, the 460 kit would be more suitable. Horses for courses.
PS. On weight saving rather than carbon the most effective way is to buy a LiteBlox lithium battery from SL. £1000, 15kgs saved over the factory battery (and it's right out by the nearside rear light where you dont want it).
Happy to answer any questions on Seriously Lotus's Komotec applications.
Edited by _Leg_ on Tuesday 5th October 19:37
I’m dropping my car off at SL next week to get the KT460 installed. It’s a big chunk of money though so keep thinking about going for the KT410/430 kit instead.
How long before heat soak really kicks in and reduces power?
I have a V6S IPS and have done quite a few mods already…
Alias23 intake
LiteBlox Lithium Battery
GRP Rear Lights
Hell Slo Side Mirrors
430 Cup style Carbon Side Pods
430 Cup Carbon Rear Hatch
430 Cup style Carbon Wing
Alias Side Sills
Nitron 1-Way Adjustable Dampers
OEM Forged Wheels
Moroso Baffled Sump
Diablos-666 said:
_Leg_ said:
custardkid said:
This debate could go on for a while
....
But a 410(£4600) or 430(£5400) power upgrade is possible for and S / 350 / 380
Although if a road car with occasional track use, there is an argument that the stock 350 bhp is a better car ..
https://www.seriouslylotus.com/komo-tec
Other sellers available.. or head to the ring for the weekend and come back with a few extra horses
Going full carbon is the expensive bit
My car was the 2nd KT460 that Dave & John at SL did (The first was my mate's and we did them at the same time around a year ago).....
But a 410(£4600) or 430(£5400) power upgrade is possible for and S / 350 / 380
Although if a road car with occasional track use, there is an argument that the stock 350 bhp is a better car ..
https://www.seriouslylotus.com/komo-tec
Other sellers available.. or head to the ring for the weekend and come back with a few extra horses
Going full carbon is the expensive bit
Edited by custardkid on Tuesday 5th October 17:15
Epic things. Mostly we track them but we also toured Scotland in them this year along with a mate who has a V6S that SL put the KT 430 kit on just after doing ours. The 430 and 460 kits feel like a factory car. The power is linear and suits the car perfectly. Overtaking on the road is more akin to teleportation (and I own a few fairly rapid road cars).
Totally reliable too although the 430 kit is fine on track if you're going at it reasonably 'hard' but with the added charge cooler, if you're pushing it more on track, the 460 kit would be more suitable. Horses for courses.
PS. On weight saving rather than carbon the most effective way is to buy a LiteBlox lithium battery from SL. £1000, 15kgs saved over the factory battery (and it's right out by the nearside rear light where you dont want it).
Happy to answer any questions on Seriously Lotus's Komotec applications.
Edited by _Leg_ on Tuesday 5th October 19:37
I’m dropping my car off at SL next week to get the KT460 installed. It’s a big chunk of money though so keep thinking about going for the KT410/430 kit instead.
How long before heat soak really kicks in and reduces power?
I have a V6S IPS and have done quite a few mods already…
Alias23 intake
LiteBlox Lithium Battery
GRP Rear Lights
Hell Slo Side Mirrors
430 Cup style Carbon Side Pods
430 Cup Carbon Rear Hatch
430 Cup style Carbon Wing
Alias Side Sills
Nitron 1-Way Adjustable Dampers
OEM Forged Wheels
Moroso Baffled Sump
Diablos-666 said:
I’d be interested to hear more about how the two KT430 vs KT460 kits performed on track.
I’m dropping my car off at SL next week to get the KT460 installed. It’s a big chunk of money though so keep thinking about going for the KT410/430 kit instead.
How long before heat soak really kicks in and reduces power?
I have a V6S IPS and have done quite a few mods already…
Alias23 intake
LiteBlox Lithium Battery
GRP Rear Lights
Hell Slo Side Mirrors
430 Cup style Carbon Side Pods
430 Cup Carbon Rear Hatch
430 Cup style Carbon Wing
Alias Side Sills
Nitron 1-Way Adjustable Dampers
OEM Forged Wheels
Moroso Baffled Sump
Hard to say as the chap with the KT430 doesn't go at it as hard and long on track as Ishy and myself. Ours just keep going with no issues. However, the general consensus is that for 'hard at it' track work the KT 460 kit is the way to go. I’m dropping my car off at SL next week to get the KT460 installed. It’s a big chunk of money though so keep thinking about going for the KT410/430 kit instead.
How long before heat soak really kicks in and reduces power?
I have a V6S IPS and have done quite a few mods already…
Alias23 intake
LiteBlox Lithium Battery
GRP Rear Lights
Hell Slo Side Mirrors
430 Cup style Carbon Side Pods
430 Cup Carbon Rear Hatch
430 Cup style Carbon Wing
Alias Side Sills
Nitron 1-Way Adjustable Dampers
OEM Forged Wheels
Moroso Baffled Sump
Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable without a charge cooler (part of the 460 kit), gearbox cooler and uprated brakes (my OEM brakes failed at Oulton Park after a particularly hard session chasing each other round. Scared the crap out of me when the pedal went to the floor going into Old Hall. Booked in for the 343s immediately).
You cant beat Dave and John's advice at SL though. Dave wont sell you anything you dont need and whatever they build will be done right. I've raced with them too and the race cars they built never let us down in 3, 4 and 6 hour races.
My car's spec, in no particular order:
2017 Exige Sport 350
3 way nitrons
KT460 kit
KT Gearbox Cooler
SL baffled sump kit
Custom carbon wing and splitter
Alias side sills
SL harness bar and harnesses
343mm big brake kit with Carbone Lorraine pads
AIM2 dashboard
AIM2 Shift lights
AIM2 Bullet camera
Pro Alloy large capacity fuel tank
Litebox Lithium battery
Quick release steering wheel (leather for road, alcantara for track)
Matching helmet (because, posing a
hole) and I run ZZRs in the dry and Avon cut slick wets in the wet.
Here she is. We're at Anglesey on Sunday on a LoT day.
Edited by _Leg_ on Thursday 21st October 09:53
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