elise 250cup or exige 430 cup for track days?

elise 250cup or exige 430 cup for track days?

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HokumPokum

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2,063 posts

210 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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for those that had both before, what would you choose again. Bear in mind that the car needs to be road legal (no space for trailer) and the car will simply only be driven to track and back home. Tx

SELON

1,172 posts

134 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Both great cars. Depends what you’re looking to get out of the track days, what you’re coming from etc.

But 430 might be restricted on tracks due to noise.

I’ve tracked a 350 Sport and now have a 220 Cup.Did 6 track days in the 350 Sport one summer. Loved it. Easy on consumables as well. It helped me work out that I don’t need the power or straight line speed to enjoy track days. The Elise Cup is plenty for me.

A very personal choice you have to make yourself. Try them. See if you can get a dealer or Lotus to give you time at Hethel.

Happy hunting.

Tucko

20 posts

126 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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Weird combo for comparison .....50k price difference !

HokumPokum

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2,063 posts

210 months

Sunday 21st April 2019
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I know. my budget can stretch all the way to a used 430 or 380 cup and a new elise cup.
not really the same but I wondered if the elise cup was as good a track day toy or the exige is heaps better.

jimmyslr

805 posts

278 months

Monday 22nd April 2019
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HokumPokum said:
I know. my budget can stretch all the way to a used 430 or 380 cup and a new elise cup.
not really the same but I wondered if the elise cup was as good a track day toy or the exige is heaps better.
Aren’t the 380/430 Cups too noisy as standard? I think you’ll need a replacement exhaust for track days. One might question the logic of that for what’s sold as a track day special, but I think it’s the case.

nw942

458 posts

110 months

Monday 22nd April 2019
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jimmyslr said:
Aren’t the 380/430 Cups too noisy as standard? I think you’ll need a replacement exhaust for track days. One might question the logic of that for what’s sold as a track day special, but I think it’s the case.
I've seen people say they had problems at Silverstone but were okay at places like Anglesey, even though they appear to have identical noise regulations. I've also been told that the steel exhaust is quieter than the titanium - a couple of decibels IIRC.

Tucko

20 posts

126 months

Monday 22nd April 2019
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Dr pittenstein has some good videos on YouTube for comparison,Elise 250 cup,exige cups etc.
He's really impressed with the Elise .....

Fonzey

2,158 posts

132 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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I know this isn't quite the same, but if it helps my thought process when deciding between a "good" S2 Exige and an entry-level V6 Exige came down to trackday practicality. I was looking at a ~260bhp S2 vs a 350bhp S3 which I admit is a smaller performance gap than what you're considering with a 430 cup, so the below may not apply!

No matter how good a V6 is on consumables, an Elise platform car will always be better but the big one in the V6 for me is the fuel tank. It's far too small for the consumption you'll be seeing on track which is a massive pain in the ass. Cost aside if you plan on doing a decent amount of track time you'll probably be leaving mid morning, lunch and mid afternoon for fuel which at some circuits is a lot of lost time. I had a tuned Subaru years ago which was great fun on track, but the constant requirement for fuel made the days quite tedious.

All that said, I avoided driving a V6 because I knew the noise/theatre and on-the-road grunt would win me over if I experienced it.

I think if I did more GP style circuits then I'd prefer a V6, but doing Blyton/Cadwell/etc regularly the Elise platform just feels more appropriate to me.

alicrozier

554 posts

242 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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As above, depends on the tracks. I think the Elise could be frustrating somewhere like Spa but great fun at Cadwell..

HokumPokum

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2,063 posts

210 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2019
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tx. that was helpful.

I love the power circuits like snetterton, bedford and silverstone. i also like donnington national, castle combe and anglesey. it'll be difficult deciding but the HP speaks volumes..

if its only a bit of additional wear, given that I'm tracking a cagged e46 m3, exige must surely be the winner if cost wasn't an issue.

Tucko

20 posts

126 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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If cost is no issue,it's gotta be a 430,I was at brands yesterday and there was a 430 there......they are awesome!
Get it bought!!!!!!

cypriot

477 posts

104 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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the 430 will definitely need a quieter exhaust though. I have an evora 400 (which has the same exhaust) and I got black flagged at silverstone doing 108dB drive by. There are solutions, just factor this in when doing your budget.

dunc_sx

1,621 posts

202 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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I'd always say go for the lightest car you can for track work, so the elise. Light weight is key in my opinion.

Dunc.

nw942

458 posts

110 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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The best of both worlds is a 3-Eleven.

But as pointed out in the other thread, you would have to be fairly committed.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Fonzey

2,158 posts

132 months

Wednesday 24th April 2019
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cypriot said:
the 430 will definitely need a quieter exhaust though. I have an evora 400 (which has the same exhaust) and I got black flagged at silverstone doing 108dB drive by. There are solutions, just factor this in when doing your budget.
Yup and I'd also add a larger fuel tank.

CTE

1,494 posts

245 months

Thursday 25th April 2019
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I`ve not driven a later Elise but have loads of experience with S1/S2`s, and have a Cup 430.

Just to clear one thing up, the tank size is not an issue, you`ll get plenty of track time, but yes you will have to refill it on the day...and it will use more fuel than and Elise.

The Elise is a very effective track car and in many ways makes a better driver of you because maintaining cornering speed (which is surely the bigger challenge) is even more important, although the latter cars will not be lacking shove.

The Exige will really show its power advantage at somewhere like Silverstone and overall it is a very quick car, but it is also quite physical drive (which is great and part of the challenge) and really is in many ways an Elise on steroids. I would say it is a heavier car and you will notice this on track, but the newer Elise`s are not so much lighter.

On the road the Exige is brilliant and I use mine for all sorts of journeys...I`ll probably upset everyone and say I think it is a better road car than track car...although it is a very good trackcar...I`ve harried although could not get past a well driven new GT3 RS at Snetterton which is somewhere that there is a definite advantage with a PDK gearbox, never mind another 100hp...