111R with just 141 bhp??
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Hi,
Just purchased one myself. I think there is an error in a database somewhere as the HPI I did shows 141BHP, and this is replicated in the PH classifieds.
I seem to have just about got my head around the various models now and the 111R is a 190bhp toyota unit. This replaces the old higher power Rover unit (156hp)
The 111S of around that vintage (135bhp) replaced the old Rover 122bhp engine.
The 111R never came with a Rover engine.
Just purchased one myself. I think there is an error in a database somewhere as the HPI I did shows 141BHP, and this is replicated in the PH classifieds.
I seem to have just about got my head around the various models now and the 111R is a 190bhp toyota unit. This replaces the old higher power Rover unit (156hp)
The 111S of around that vintage (135bhp) replaced the old Rover 122bhp engine.
The 111R never came with a Rover engine.
Edited by Rick101 on Sunday 24th August 07:13
sl0wlane said:
The S2 111S has the rover 156bhp engine.
I think the 'S' has the lower powered Toyota engine (135ish bhp), but the R always has the 190bhp Toyota.
Correct, until the SC became the S more recently. The common S2 varients went:I think the 'S' has the lower powered Toyota engine (135ish bhp), but the R always has the 190bhp Toyota.
Elise: 120bhp Rover Engine
Elise Sport XXX: XXX bhp Rover engine with sport suspension
Elise 111/111S: 156bhp VVC Rover engine
Elise 111R: 189bhp Toyota engine
Elise S: 134bhp Toyota engine
Elise R: Renaming of the 111R
Elise SC: Supercharged version of the S's engine - about 220bhp
Elise S: Renaming of the SC
All Toyota engined cars had a number of other revisions such as servo assisted ABS brakes, a stronger (heavier) rear subframe, a bigger radiator, etc. There are also some body differences. Toyota engind cars' exhausts exit through the diffuser, where K-series ones exit either side of the number plate. At the front, the larger radiator in the Toyota cars requires higher access pannels so the "bridge" section in the middle of the front clam is much shallower.
There was never an Elise with 141bhp from the factory but 189bhp is 141kw, which might be where the confusion lies? The 111R didn't exactly replace the 111S, they ran in parallel for a number of years.
Edited by kambites on Sunday 24th August 09:08
Slight correction on this, the Elise SC was a supercharged version of the 111R engine,ie 2ZZ-GE engine, the later Elise S3 Elise known as the S has the lower reving 2ZR-FE engine
kambites said:
Correct, until the SC became the S more recently. The common S2 varients went:
Elise: 120bhp Rover Engine
Elise Sport XXX: XXX bhp Rover engine with sport suspension
Elise 111/111S: 156bhp VVC Rover engine
Elise 111R: 189bhp Toyota engine
Elise S: 134bhp Toyota engine
Elise R: Renaming of the 111R
Elise SC: Supercharged version of the S's engine - about 220bhp
Elise S: Renaming of the SC
All Toyota engined cars had a number of other revisions such as servo assisted ABS brakes, a stronger (heavier) rear subframe, a bigger radiator, etc. There are also some body differences. Toyota engind cars' exhausts exit through the diffuser, where K-series ones exit either side of the number plate. At the front, the larger radiator in the Toyota cars requires higher access pannels so the "bridge" section in the middle of the front clam is much shallower.
There was never an Elise with 141bhp from the factory but 189bhp is 141kw, which might be where the confusion lies? The 111R didn't exactly replace the 111S, they ran in parallel for a number of years.
Elise: 120bhp Rover Engine
Elise Sport XXX: XXX bhp Rover engine with sport suspension
Elise 111/111S: 156bhp VVC Rover engine
Elise 111R: 189bhp Toyota engine
Elise S: 134bhp Toyota engine
Elise R: Renaming of the 111R
Elise SC: Supercharged version of the S's engine - about 220bhp
Elise S: Renaming of the SC
All Toyota engined cars had a number of other revisions such as servo assisted ABS brakes, a stronger (heavier) rear subframe, a bigger radiator, etc. There are also some body differences. Toyota engind cars' exhausts exit through the diffuser, where K-series ones exit either side of the number plate. At the front, the larger radiator in the Toyota cars requires higher access pannels so the "bridge" section in the middle of the front clam is much shallower.
There was never an Elise with 141bhp from the factory but 189bhp is 141kw, which might be where the confusion lies? The 111R didn't exactly replace the 111S, they ran in parallel for a number of years.
Edited by kambites on Sunday 24th August 09:08[/footnote]
[footnote]Edited by piper on Monday 25th August 08:15kambites said:
At the front, the larger radiator in the Toyota cars requires higher access pannels so the "bridge" section in the middle of the front clam is much shallower.
I think that's actually down to the brake servo and abs unit rather than the rad... Also ruins the lines, the older cars have a much nicer line as the access panels are at the same angle as the screen.(Biased 111S owner)
kambites said:
Elise Sport XXX: XXX bhp Rover engine with sport suspension
Is that the same for the sport 135, I always thought it was just the engine and close ratio gearbox according to Seloc elise model history/Hazlenet, I always thought it didn't have the sports suspension of the sport 160 and 190?Edited by Fantuzzi on Saturday 6th September 18:04
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