Sell me your Honda or Duratec powered S1/S2!
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Thought I'd try my luck here...
Anyone thinking of selling up their Honda or Duratec 2.3 powered S1/S2 or know of any for sale?
Looking to be in the car within the next week or so if possible and have cash waiting for the right one.
N/A (may consider supercharged) and Nitrons are preferred.
You can contact me here or email me on ross0501@hotmail.co.uk.
Cheers.
Anyone thinking of selling up their Honda or Duratec 2.3 powered S1/S2 or know of any for sale?
Looking to be in the car within the next week or so if possible and have cash waiting for the right one.
N/A (may consider supercharged) and Nitrons are preferred.
You can contact me here or email me on ross0501@hotmail.co.uk.
Cheers.
Edited by Sloch on Friday 19th July 16:41
Exige77 said:
Did see that and thought it was a tad optimistic. Then read "cat C" and had to pick my jaw up from the floor.TheTalentedMr said:
Cheers for that. Trying to stay away from previously damaged cars though.TheTalentedMr said:
Thought you might say that but worth a look for that price. Personally I wouldn't go there but there's so few around it's tough to find one at the moment.
Considered an Atom if you're looking for a Honda powertrain?
True, but a previously damaged car would be a no go for me either.Considered an Atom if you're looking for a Honda powertrain?
Good call on the Atom but it's to be a daily driver as well as track car. Leaning more towards the Duratec too for better weight distribution.
What's the general consensus on the Duratec front (at around 250-270 BHP) - 2.0 vs 2.3? I know the 2.0 revs a little higher. Is there a reason Caterham chose the 2.0 for the R500?
Edited by Sloch on Sunday 21st July 00:02
To be honest I've never even seen one come up for sale, let alone in the summer months. I'm not sure what your budget is but I would say the sensible thing to do would be to look at an Exige S 240 instead.
As a daily driver a modified car would be a worry to me, too much to go wrong and let you down along with a longer lead time on parts and needing a specialist to conduct the repairs. No doubt many will disagree but that's what I'd do.
As a daily driver a modified car would be a worry to me, too much to go wrong and let you down along with a longer lead time on parts and needing a specialist to conduct the repairs. No doubt many will disagree but that's what I'd do.
Exige77 said:
Most of the engine conversions us standard parts apart from the engine mounts which you don't change that often.
Honda, Audi and Ford parts easily available unlike Lotus parts.
What things do you think might go wrong ?
Ex77
Just to counter that argument on the Lotus parts front, we're talking engine here and in a standard cars case it's a Toyota unit so bits should be just as easy to come by as the Audi/Honda/Ford etc.Honda, Audi and Ford parts easily available unlike Lotus parts.
What things do you think might go wrong ?
Ex77
Edited by Exige77 on Sunday 21st July 13:22
My concern wouldn't be the engine itself, purely the additional bits that make it function (custom loom, ECU, mounts, modified intake that sort of stuff). Also if you have a standard car you can walk into any dealership in the country and order parts (you can even get the bits from Toyota using the OEM part number in an emergency). Couple this with the fact that not all Lotus dealers are familiar or happy to work on non standard cars then IMO it could be extra hassle as your day to day runner.
I'd love a charge cooled Honda car. There's an S1 Exige on youtube which looks amazing but I'd just be nervous to use that car to get to work in etc.
I just want to make it clear I have nothing against engine swap cars at all. Just trying to look out for the guy to make sure he doesn't start off in a car that could put him off Lotus.
TheTalentedMr said:
Exige77 said:
Most of the engine conversions us standard parts apart from the engine mounts which you don't change that often.
Honda, Audi and Ford parts easily available unlike Lotus parts.
What things do you think might go wrong ?
Ex77
Just to counter that argument on the Lotus parts front, we're talking engine here and in a standard cars case it's a Toyota unit so bits should be just as easy to come by as the Audi/Honda/Ford etc.Honda, Audi and Ford parts easily available unlike Lotus parts.
What things do you think might go wrong ?
Ex77
Edited by Exige77 on Sunday 21st July 13:22
My concern wouldn't be the engine itself, purely the additional bits that make it function (custom loom, ECU, mounts, modified intake that sort of stuff). Also if you have a standard car you can walk into any dealership in the country and order parts (you can even get the bits from Toyota using the OEM part number in an emergency). Couple this with the fact that not all Lotus dealers are familiar or happy to work on non standard cars then IMO it could be extra hassle as your day to day runner.
I'd love a charge cooled Honda car. There's an S1 Exige on youtube which looks amazing but I'd just be nervous to use that car to get to work in etc.
I just want to make it clear I have nothing against engine swap cars at all. Just trying to look out for the guy to make sure he doesn't start off in a car that could put him off Lotus.
Most enthusiasts change stuff like induction and exhaust anyway on std cars. A lot of the standards parts from Lotus are in fact Lotus and not Toyota. ECUs tend to be off the shelf items which can be remapped easily unlike the Lotus OEM ones. Wiring looms don't tend to be consumables.
Having started with a Std Toyota car and highly modified it and then had a Honda SC/CC it would be the Honda car every time assuming the conversion was done properly by someone like Maidstone's or Essex Autosport who have many very fussy customers.
The Yota lump was an improvement over the K series's in many ways but its not as perfect as many make out.
Ex77
You're bang on, it was the TOAD video (the guy's a bit of a useless presenter but the car sounds amazing), i'd have that car in a second. I always prefered the S1, only problem for me was not wanting another K Series engine.
Having not owned a modified Lotus I suppose I shouldn't have commented. It was really my perception of the risks involved.
One final thing. I know the loom is not consumable. What I actually meant was in the case of a wiring fault only the specialist would have the diagram or fully understand the pin outs.
Having not owned a modified Lotus I suppose I shouldn't have commented. It was really my perception of the risks involved.
One final thing. I know the loom is not consumable. What I actually meant was in the case of a wiring fault only the specialist would have the diagram or fully understand the pin outs.
Yes, but far more Honda's, most of them n/a. Steve Williams Duratec conversions are good and I believe Phoenix now sell a kit which was designed by a friend.
You need to be patient if you want to buy an Elise/Exige with an engine conversion, they are a bit like buses from my experience.
I've owned an Audi engined S1 and a s/c Honda S2, they are very impressive cars, but arguably alter the balance with all that extra grunt, even though the chassis can more than take it.
Like most cars though, you get used to the power quite quickly and if you are so inclined, always hanker for more.
You need to be patient if you want to buy an Elise/Exige with an engine conversion, they are a bit like buses from my experience.
I've owned an Audi engined S1 and a s/c Honda S2, they are very impressive cars, but arguably alter the balance with all that extra grunt, even though the chassis can more than take it.
Like most cars though, you get used to the power quite quickly and if you are so inclined, always hanker for more.
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